Protection
#1
Posted 2023-February-11, 15:53
Opened 1 space overall 3 club nat weak partner passes as does other oppo
Would you bid ?
#2
Posted 2023-February-11, 16:11
Vulnerability?
I pass, I have a partner, double would promise a better hand
#3
Posted 2023-February-11, 16:28
#4
Posted 2023-February-11, 19:07
I have a partner whose 3C bids are so weak that I won’t post any examples! If he were on my left, I’d double.
Garbage overcalls often avoid what they deserve, simply because the opps assume that th3 bidder isn’t insane
But against most players, especially anyone who needs 7 clubs to bid 3C, passing is probably the percentage call…but I hate it!
Edit: I’m not sure what Frank means by his reference to bidding at the 3 level. No way does this hand make a 3 level bid, but double is a close decision
#5
Posted 2023-February-11, 22:03
But honestly, with 5422 shape and a minimum hand, despite the three aces, Pass looks most like the bid that many will make.
#6
Posted 2023-February-12, 03:10
Partner probably has an average of 10 points and two clubs. If this is the case, then the opponents have an eight or nine-card fit and we are odds-on to have a fit somewhere. If they are making 3C, then 2-off might be ok (it might not be easy for them to double). If partner has (say) Hxx in clubs and a balanced hand, they might pass for penalties at pairs and you will expect to beat 3C.
#8
Posted 2023-February-12, 04:11
Cyberyeti, on 2023-February-12, 03:15, said:
I think I double, not liking it much
It is frequently possible to choose a weak but perfect fitting hand opposite where a very marginal action works over a sound action. Bidding on the assumption that partner is going to hold super cards for you is something that happens in magazine bidding challenges IMO, not my experience at the table. I'm not saying double isn't right but would be cautious of looking at one hand where it works. What matters is how frequently on average would it work given the auction, and that cannot be determined with a sample size of one.
#9
Posted 2023-February-12, 04:21
AL78, on 2023-February-12, 04:11, said:
I'm also delighted if partner passes, the only thing that I really don't like is if partner bids 3♦
#10
Posted 2023-February-12, 04:37
No and it is not close.
#11
Posted 2023-February-12, 06:47
Cyberyeti, on 2023-February-12, 04:21, said:
I'd pass. If partner has a penalty double of 3♣, oh well.
#12
Posted 2023-February-12, 10:27
Tramticket, on 2023-February-12, 03:10, said:
Partner probably has an average of 10 points and two clubs. If this is the case, then the opponents have an eight or nine-card fit and we are odds-on to have a fit somewhere. If they are making 3C, then 2-off might be ok (it might not be easy for them to double). If partner has (say) Hxx in clubs and a balanced hand, they might pass for penalties at pairs and you will expect to beat 3C.
Your arithmetic is flawed
There are many 10 counts with which he’d have bid
If he has 3 spades and 9+ hcp, he can’t pass 3C.
If he has, say, 2=4=5=2 or 2=5=4=2 and 9+ hcp he should double
One can construct some decent hands where pass is best. Say 2=3=6=2…..but to claim that he has on average 10 hcp and 2 clubs makes no sense
You can’t draw any solid inference from RHO’s pass. RHO needs a very good hand to bid over 3C, and we can infer that he’s not looking at a very good hand, if only because he rates to hold zero aces and short clubs.
I think it’s more accurate to say that partner could have as much as a misfitting 10 count, or a clear penalty pass, but will, on average, hold less.