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加倍出套逼叫吗

#21 User is offline   wuhuan 

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Posted 2013-July-11, 02:05

加倍出套是否逼叫,我赞同老师的观点。不过同伴0-6还主动叫牌吗?现实打牌中我遇到一副牌同伴加叫后被打宕,opps说同伴你拿这么点的点力还加?我当时解释我们逼叫不能停。这个故事能否说明问题吗?
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Posted 2013-July-11, 05:31

应叫人最后决择 :rolleyes:
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Posted 2013-July-11, 15:02

加倍后出套是逼叫,这个约定不太好,PD可能是白皮无配合,这对加倍出套人要求太高,加倍人邀请牌力怎么办,帖中所举牌例如北家白皮无配合叫什么?这样PD之间太容易误解,定为邀请牌力比较好,现例中北家是不叫中的高限,对同伴花色有Qx支持,C还有A领头的6张套,叫3S是正常牌手的应叫,叫PASS实在是不负责任;

加倍后跳出套是逼叫,尚可接受,一般这样的牌接近独立成局;

加倍后再扣叫是逼叫,也可接受,加倍人的牌接近独立成局。

书上还有“加倍改之”约定仅表示未叫花色双高与加倍出套易混淆,我曾有一个PD对此约定就常混淆,这样叫牌会产生很大误会。
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Posted 2013-July-12, 08:26

View Posthejiang, on 2013-June-05, 22:39, said:

看具体情况,如果真是很差的点,又不配合是可以PASS的,但6点有两支持可以邀一下。

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Posted 2013-July-12, 11:26

加倍出套者要小心。你拿着低花套,H短,敌方开叫1S,如果你加倍,同伴多半应叫2H,你要在3阶才能叫出你的花色。在不知道同伴的牌力和双方的配合情况下,你就到了3阶。所以,如果你拿17,8点牌,也许还是直接争叫为宜。
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Posted 2013-July-12, 16:33

View PostHeartA, on 2013-July-12, 11:26, said:

加倍出套者要小心。你拿着低花套,H短,敌方开叫1S,如果你加倍,同伴多半应叫2H,你要在3阶才能叫出你的花色。在不知道同伴的牌力和双方的配合情况下,你就到了3阶。所以,如果你拿17,8点牌,也许还是直接争叫为宜。

对2S加倍相对要求H套质量要高一些,点力也要比1阶加倍高,因为要求同伴在3阶出套,加倍后加倍人3阶出新花肯定19P+并持有一个好套,是接近单手逼局的牌。
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Posted 2013-July-12, 17:24

View PostHeartA, on 2013-July-12, 11:26, said:

加倍出套者要小心。你拿着低花套,H短,敌方开叫1S,如果你加倍,同伴多半应叫2H,你要在3阶才能叫出你的花色。在不知道同伴的牌力和双方的配合情况下,你就到了3阶。所以,如果你拿17,8点牌,也许还是直接争叫为宜。


如是低花堅固套,最好就是跳扣叫3S,準備打3NT。PARTNER 如持有H+S套,盡管只有5-6分,懲罰4S 的很大機會拿300/500分。
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Posted 2013-July-13, 07:31

加倍后平叫出套是不逼叫的, 因为加倍者的同伴可能持有很少的点力(甚至白皮), 这样在加倍者低限的情况下被迫应叫而把牌叫过头.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 21:01

嗯,大家讨论得多很好,的确这里的叫牌标准是各异的,比如有人认为不逼叫,而作逼叫处理者,定约逼叫到3M。依同伴约定有关,不是绝对的。
这就是,加倍出套=18P+,保证其主打实力。
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Posted 2013-July-20, 03:40

When you make a takeout double and subsequently bid your own suit or no-trump, you are showing extra values. This is not a forcing bid — responder can still pass with a truly bad hand but should strain to bid again, especially with support for the suit partner has bid after doubling.

***当你作出一个技术性加倍,并接着叫出自己的花色或无将时,你显示出一手牌持有额外的估值,这不是逼叫!应叫人持有极差的牌面时是可以pass的,否则应叫人应该尽力维持叫牌,尤其是加倍后对加倍人所出的花色有支持时 !

***加倍后,加倍人扣叫低花是逼局。

这回大家对以上两点都接受否?
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