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#1 User is offline   Lord Molyb 

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Posted 2014-April-10, 20:03



How do you bid the hand after this start?
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Posted 2014-April-10, 21:29

I dislike these hands intensely. Maybe 4C 4H now, who knows? 5C 6D based on the 3 minor suit cards? I think I might be resulting a bit here. Hard to avoid Hearts though with 7 good one. 6H is unlikely to make.
4C 4H
5C ?
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Posted 2014-April-10, 21:34

I will try 5c now but who knows
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Posted 2014-April-10, 23:13

4c

I am not forced to bid here---the 4c bid has to be an attempt to show
a very radical distribution. My hand seems so good but there is too much
chance of a misfit after this bidding so the 4c bid adequately prepares
for a 5c bid in case p bids 4h (if their heart suit is that good they
can bid 5h and they wont be disappointed with my aces).

I have some sympathy for 5c bidders but that quite possibly preempts us
out of slam for really no good reason. The hand does not have to be a misfit
it just sounds like it could be (I know I KNOW from seeing the hands it is
but just from the bidding?).
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Posted 2014-April-11, 03:53

View Postgszes, on 2014-April-10, 23:13, said:

4c

I am not forced to bid here---the 4c bid has to be an attempt to show
a very radical distribution. My hand seems so good but there is too much
chance of a misfit after this bidding so the 4c bid adequately prepares
for a 5c bid in case p bids 4h (if their heart suit is that good they
can bid 5h and they wont be disappointed with my aces).

I have some sympathy for 5c bidders but that quite possibly preempts us
out of slam for really no good reason. The hand does not have to be a misfit
it just sounds like it could be (I know I KNOW from seeing the hands it is
but just from the bidding?).


Misfit? Partner has the KQ and K of my 6 card suits or heven's sake. I would always like partners to have "misfits" like this.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 06:34

4-4
5-6

I don't think i can stop before slam with S hand holding xxx and KQ K values in his suits when he showed big shape.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 06:47

View PostMrAce, on 2014-April-11, 06:34, said:

4-4
5-6

I don't think i can stop before slam with S hand holding xxx and KQ K values in his suits when he showed big shape.


Something like this, 6 is where you'll end up and is not horrible
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Posted 2014-April-11, 06:52

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-April-11, 06:47, said:

Something like this, 6 is where you'll end up and is not horrible


No, it is not horrible. I am sure we all played slams some of which makes this one look "cold" Posted Image
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Posted 2014-April-11, 07:17

4 is clear, but south's bid over that is very diffucult. I can see merit in 4, 4, 5 and 5NT(COS). If south goes for 4 only and is passed out (not here - north should bid 5 with his extreme shape), then I would expect to have missed a slam very, very often. Maybe this should have been a poll instead, wtd after 4.

6 is good, since a club lead is unlikely. 7 is not that bad either, since 6 will take 13 a lot of the time it makes anyway. I assume it is best to play on hearts after a nonclub lead.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 08:36

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-April-11, 06:47, said:

Something like this, 6 is where you'll end up and is not horrible

We agree and I bid the same way.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 08:36

View PostMrAce, on 2014-April-11, 06:34, said:

4-4
5-

I am interested (on a theoretical level) if everyone plays 5NT the same way on this auction after 5.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 09:13

View Postthe hog, on 2014-April-11, 03:53, said:

Misfit? Partner has the KQ and K of my 6 card suits or heven's sake. I would always like partners to have "misfits" like this.

Curious statement my bidding assumes we cannot see each others hands. A bidding question
is not about how to bid when one can see both hands but how one would bid in real life:))))))
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Posted 2014-April-11, 09:15

View PostMrAce, on 2014-April-11, 06:34, said:

4(the easy part)-4(obvious)
5(Passing 4H would be tempting, but....)-6(Yeh, Pass would really be wimpy)

I don't think i can stop before slam with S hand holding xxx and KQ K values in his suits when he showed big shape.

Agree with Timo, But just had to put words in his mouth.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 11:09

Easy 5. There are no tools to evaluate a slam here, so I'll just give up on it.
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Posted 2014-April-11, 18:44

View Postgszes, on 2014-April-11, 09:13, said:

Curious statement my bidding assumes we cannot see each others hands. A bidding question
is not about how to bid when one can see both hands but how one would bid in real life:))))))


When my pd bid C and D strongly and I hold K KQ, I do not regard the hand as a misfit.It appears you do.
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Posted 2014-April-12, 05:16

View Postaguahombre, on 2014-April-11, 09:15, said:

Agree with Timo, But just had to put words in his mouth.


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Posted 2014-April-12, 07:25

4-4
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I would pass wth north's hand.
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Posted 2014-April-12, 11:05

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-April-11, 11:09, said:

Easy 5. There are no tools to evaluate a slam here, so I'll just give up on it.

Bidding 5C, combined with Partner's tools of observation, should get it done. I agree with Fluffy that bidding 5C is not clear; but if I did that, Pard would be the one doing the evaluating.
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Posted 2014-April-12, 14:55

Well, pard's minor suit holding is as good as it gets. Plus, he can diagnose a short spade across. He might raise to 6 on this ground, but I sure aint doing any research on my own :)
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Posted 2014-April-16, 07:55

4 4
5 6
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