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How about this take out double no alert

Poll: is this a penalty double (24 member(s) have cast votes)

is this a penalty double

  1. yes (12 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. no (12 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. only ask me to sit if i have akqxx spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. only asks me to sit if they have a better contract (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   pigpenz 

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Posted 2005-October-07, 17:36

The names have been changed to protect the guilty


Auction:
1♦ double pass pass
pass

no alert on the double
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Posted 2005-October-07, 17:38

poor North he was about the only one who had his bid ;)

actually opening bid was 1♦
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Posted 2005-October-07, 20:41

Seems clear to me that E/W have the agreement double is penalty. Obviously East doesn't have a takeout double, or even an "opening hand" double. And West's hand is a pretty obvious bid unless double is penalty.

Now, whether N/S deserve any protection if E/W didn't alert the penalty double may be a different matter. One could argue that south's pass is a "failure to play bridge" since it seems pretty obvious to bid 1♥ here regardless of the meaning of double. Surely moving a few cards around in the E/W hands could make a takeout double and pass here quite reasonable.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 17:48

i can't believe more people voted "yes" than "no"... if that double is penalty then the ones who voted yes have no such thing as a t/o double.. it doesn't exist for them
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Posted 2005-October-11, 18:41

I cannot believe anyone voted yes. Obviously they were just spoofing. In my decades of playing this game I have never played with or against anyone who played double in that seat and auction as penalty.
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Posted 2005-October-12, 04:43

Neither have I, but the double made there is clearly designed for penalty. I think those who voted yes are saying that a penalty double was made by East in the given hand, not that they specifically played double as penalty there
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Posted 2005-October-12, 05:34

Was South playing with EW or with N ? LOL

How could he pass holding 6 hearts ? LOL
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Posted 2005-October-12, 05:35

What about this poll:

How do you interpret the options in this poll?
- Yes
- No
- Other
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Posted 2005-October-12, 06:30

This poll seems biased and unfair. As a "takeout double", 1♦X followed by a pass is clearly a problem as some UI of some sort exist. But there are plenty of people who, believe it or not, do not play takeout doubles. Not good players mind you. not even bad "duplicate players." My mother, for example only plays takeout doubles at the one level. Some of here bridge friends don't play takeout doubles at all.

With programs like Bridgebrowser and with dogged determination and myhands, one can find out how this EW pair normally play doubles. If doubles are "penalty" when holding penalty hands and takeout when holding takeout hands, and they get it right, clearly that is documentable and actionable. Does this really serve any useful purpose posting it?

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