[pigpenz]

yes i have run into that, and I think that TD's running pay tourneys doing that should be reported to abuse! I have ready all the explanations (replies) so if that has been suggested before sorry about that! Maybe you should mark those TD's down as enemies and ignore their chat if that would help.

Everyone loves bridge! the more games the merrier, just tell the guy(TD) that you'll have Justin come over in his leather jacket and break his kneecaps

Next time it happes just hit the printscrn key and copy and paste it in an email and sent it to RAIN at abuse@

[guggie]

That is not the problem. Jilly has done all that. the problem is the climate on BBO and the freemarket principle.
I had MUCH rather pay $50 per annum to BBO, keep on running free tournaments and get rid of all those greedy payed TD's.
On the dutch payed website I payed full share and edited the monthly e magazine for free, which took about 15-20 hours each month. The policy of that website (going for a broad market without doing anything for the better players- result exit march of the top players) and the VU graph drove me to BBO.

At first BBO felt like a warm bath. Than the payed tournamenst came. ACBL no fun for europeans. The others ones hardened the athmosphere. Mirjam_3 died. Gweny stopped early fun fishy. JW_NL stopped with hobsons choice, also a result of bullying by another TD. TD's meetings, always very inspiring, stopped. Now Jillybean is bullied away.

It is fortunate I speak some french so I can participate in the French tournaments who are still free, with a very open sportive and funny athmosphere.

Isn't it time either to ask value for money for the payed tournaments (no postponemenst, reviews, and so on), or to ask money for participating in tournaments, the money goes to BBO, and the people wanting to run tournaments keep doing so for love of the game and for love of the great site BBO.

I would hate to write the great site BBO used to be

[keylime]

Free,

Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto times the number of raindrops in the sky pouring down on me here in Maryland. Ditto.

If I had more time I'd run Future Stars and Strata A regularly. Problem is this concept called "work" and "bills".....

[Fluffy]

jillybean2, on Oct 21 2005, 02:29 PM, said:

Hi,
I have stopped running tournaments. I had another unpleasant encounter this time with a private club manager and one of the members over my apparent sabotage of their pay tourney. The pay TD’s and even the free TD’s who schedule regular tournaments are hostile to me when I schedule a tournament they see as competing with theirs.
Its just not fun anymore.

Sorry about that Jilly , Some part of these woudln't happen to me because I have some private club managers into the black list so I am simply unable to hear whatever they say .

[hrothgar]

Hey there...

I really wish that you would reconsider your decision. Your interest in learning more about the process of directing has impressed me enormously. I wish that other TDs shared your zeal.

On a more personal level, its very important that idiots don't get rewarded for bad behaviour. I understand that getting attacked can be distasteful. However, you can always judge a person by the quality of their enemies...

regards

richard

[Echognome]

Shame to hear that Jilly. I enjoyed working with you on the the one or two tourneys as co-director. I was also impressed with your willingness to learn. I will continue to run tourneys when I can (which is quite seldom unfortunately) and would be happy for you to co-direct anytime you like. I feel "empowered" by Uday's support in thread I wrote a little while back about being hassled by other TDs. Now if they say anything it's a simple "go bother someone else" and ignore or enemy them. I think BBO's stance on this is fair. I don't mind them having pay tourneys if it helps keep the site free, especially as they are backing free tourneys 100%. So, although I think it's horrible what happened to Kathyrn, I'm not gonna blame BBO for it. I certainly understand you not wanting to deal with the hassle and respect your decision. Hopefully we can root out these bad apples and let free tourneys flourish once again and bring back the likes of Jillybean.

[jillybean]

Thanks for all the comments, the support is much appreciated.

jb

[Chamaco]

Oh, I forgot to mention one very important thing:

JB for president !!!

[aramesh_]

guggie, on Oct 22 2005, 10:04 AM, said:

JW_NL stopped with hobsons choice, also a result of bullying by another TD.

Hobson's Choice was started by me and my friend JW_NL was my co TD for a while before he withdrew. I stopped HC in late August, not due to any bullying by another TD but because I was getting ready for my trip to US.

In anycase jilly's case is bad for BBO and I wish the decision is reconsidered.

[rigour6]

Jilly, as someone who has enjoyed having you as a player, a TD, and a co-TD - and as someone who for a while now has been concerned about what's happenning to the free tourneys (see my postings ad nauseum), let me just suggest that there's still a place for you. I say this because I've felt the same thing you have.

Take a break. Come back and do a tourney. Take another break.

I will say this: hosting a free TD is a very thankless task. I typically have 50-200 people in my tourney. The ratio if sheer rudeness to simple "thank yous" is roughly 4 to 1. Some of this is explainable by my incompetent direction, granted. Still, you do end up asking yourself over and over: "Exactly why am I doing this again?"

The only solution I have found is to take a break. Sometimes I get keen and run 4 tourneys back to back. Sometimes three weeks go by and I pretend I have a life and don't run a single one.

You're a concientious, good-hearted person, so you tend to feel that you should run tourneys. You don't OWE anyone a tourney.

Any free TD who relies on feedback will eventually quit. Host tourneys because you think it's the right thing to do. Host one, then take a break.

As for the pay tourneys, I think someone somewhere once said the love of money was the root of all evil. Perhaps they should write that down somewhere. Money changes people's motivations and behaviour, unfortunately. Even a tiny bit of money does for tiny people, it seems. I still don't know what the answer is. I want BBO to succeed financially as well as in other ways. I believe very profoundly in the consept that the system should be free to those who don't wish to pay. And my self-proclaimed clever idea of the R6 "Dime a Dozen" Series (a pay tourney that charges 10 cents for 12 boards) apparently creates more work for already overloaded uday and others. So I've still got my thinking cap on.

In the meantime, if you see me online, make sure you say "hi". Losing you as a TD is one of those "canary in the coal mine" moments for me, it raises concerns on a number of levels.