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Strong Reopening Double 2C Opening (SAYC)

#1 User is offline   kenrexford 

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Posted 2006-March-14, 21:17

2♣-2♠-Pass-Pass-X-P-?

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Your hand:

xxx-xx-xxx-KJxxx.

In answering this, discuss whether the double will be more like a 4441 takeout or more like a spade-flawed 22-23 balanced.
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Posted 2006-March-14, 21:33

I'd take it as penalty. The 2♣ opener has got to have another bid besides double and if you had a penalty hand for 2♠, you would have doubled immediately, not passed.
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Posted 2006-March-14, 21:39

I should preface this question with our agreements, I suppose. We play that a pass is game-forcing, possibly based upon a penalty pass hand. Double is the weak action.
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Posted 2006-March-14, 21:45

So a pass of 2♠ by you is GF and a double of 2♠ is weak? You are probably opposite a takeout double then, but with weak spade holding. I'd say singleton or doubleton garbage. I'd say it pretty well guarantees 4 hearts. If he had a balanced hand without 4 hearts, but strength in the unbid suits, he could bid 3 spades asking for a stopper.

Better yet...ask your partner, lol.
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Posted 2006-March-14, 22:08

I'd say that double is fairly wide ranging, but most likely balanced with two or three small spades. The double does not show 4 hearts.

Anyway, with the given hand it is easy, just bid 3C.
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Posted 2006-March-14, 22:25

I also assumed that partner had a flawed 22-23 balanced, although I can understand a 4441. Not sure whether 3S asks for a stopper, though, or shows the 4441.

If 22-23 balanced, are you not concerned that our game, if any, may turn on clubs coming in, which seems possibly anti-percentage?
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Posted 2006-March-14, 22:45

if the pass already establishe a GF, 3♣ has no alternative. WTP?
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Posted 2006-March-15, 00:59

I think double should be a balanced hand. 3♠ should be natural in case LHO is having a joke
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