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(1c)=x=(xx)=pass(you)
1) What does your pass show?
2) What would you bid with something such as:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
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Posted 2006-November-30, 01:04
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Posted 2006-November-30, 08:16
>(1c)=x=(xx)=pass(you)
>1) What does your pass show?
"Pard, I don't have any long suit to run too, you pick the run out suit
PS glad I DONT HAVE TO DECLARE THIS
I assume we have 3-3 in the majors, probably 4 clubs, maybe 3=3=3=4 shape
Responder doesnt have a 4 card major, assume 3-3, Probably majors are 4-3-3-3 around the table, or close to that.
I hope we can find a 1 level 4-3 fit, or a 2 level 4-4 fit
>2) What would you bid with something like:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
This has 2 suitable spots = I would pass , see what pard bids. Maybe a major and we get lucky and find a 4-4 fit at the 1 level.
Its possible opener will bid as well, and take us off the hook.
If pard bids Diamonds, then he may be 3-3-5-2, not such a nice TO DBL
Probably 3/4=4=2. Dimes are OK, dont see a way to find the 4-4.
We could bid hearts over dimes, maybe pard has 4? If not its moving from a 4-3 fit to another 4-3
>3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
Obviously the shapes are different. If pard make a TOX of hearts its much more likely that:
1 - he has 4 spades
2 - responder would support hearts
Responder could have bid 2NT (Truscott / Jordan 2NT) to show a Limit Raise or better of hearts or spades - without that then assume max of 3 card fit. Probably major is 5422 pard has 2 in that major, thus 11 outside. 3/4 in the other major.
With opps opening 1H, pard might overcall spades with 5, or even 5 good ones.
>1) What does your pass show?
"Pard, I don't have any long suit to run too, you pick the run out suit
PS glad I DONT HAVE TO DECLARE THIS
I assume we have 3-3 in the majors, probably 4 clubs, maybe 3=3=3=4 shape
Responder doesnt have a 4 card major, assume 3-3, Probably majors are 4-3-3-3 around the table, or close to that.
I hope we can find a 1 level 4-3 fit, or a 2 level 4-4 fit
>2) What would you bid with something like:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
This has 2 suitable spots = I would pass , see what pard bids. Maybe a major and we get lucky and find a 4-4 fit at the 1 level.
Its possible opener will bid as well, and take us off the hook.
If pard bids Diamonds, then he may be 3-3-5-2, not such a nice TO DBL
Probably 3/4=4=2. Dimes are OK, dont see a way to find the 4-4.
We could bid hearts over dimes, maybe pard has 4? If not its moving from a 4-3 fit to another 4-3
>3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
Obviously the shapes are different. If pard make a TOX of hearts its much more likely that:
1 - he has 4 spades
2 - responder would support hearts
Responder could have bid 2NT (Truscott / Jordan 2NT) to show a Limit Raise or better of hearts or spades - without that then assume max of 3 card fit. Probably major is 5422 pard has 2 in that major, thus 11 outside. 3/4 in the other major.
With opps opening 1H, pard might overcall spades with 5, or even 5 good ones.
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Posted 2006-November-30, 09:15
ArcLight, on Nov 30 2006, 09:16 AM, said:
>(1c)=x=(xx)=pass(you)
>1) What does your pass show?
"Pard, I don't have any long suit to run too, you pick the run out suit
PS glad I DONT HAVE TO DECLARE THIS
I assume we have 3-3 in the majors, probably 4 clubs, maybe 3=3=3=4 shape
Responder doesnt have a 4 card major, assume 3-3, Probably majors are 4-3-3-3 around the table, or close to that.
I hope we can find a 1 level 4-3 fit, or a 2 level 4-4 fit
>2) What would you bid with something like:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
This has 2 suitable spots = I would pass , see what pard bids. Maybe a major and we get lucky and find a 4-4 fit at the 1 level.
Its possible opener will bid as well, and take us off the hook.
If pard bids Diamonds, then he may be 3-3-5-2, not such a nice TO DBL
Probably 3/4=4=2. Dimes are OK, dont see a way to find the 4-4.
We could bid hearts over dimes, maybe pard has 4? If not its moving from a 4-3 fit to another 4-3
>3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
Obviously the shapes are different. If pard make a TOX of hearts its much more likely that:
1 - he has 4 spades
2 - responder would support hearts
Responder could have bid 2NT (Truscott / Jordan 2NT) to show a Limit Raise or better of hearts or spades - without that then assume max of 3 card fit. Probably major is 5422 pard has 2 in that major, thus 11 outside. 3/4 in the other major.
With opps opening 1H, pard might overcall spades with 5, or even 5 good ones.
>1) What does your pass show?
"Pard, I don't have any long suit to run too, you pick the run out suit
PS glad I DONT HAVE TO DECLARE THIS
I assume we have 3-3 in the majors, probably 4 clubs, maybe 3=3=3=4 shape
Responder doesnt have a 4 card major, assume 3-3, Probably majors are 4-3-3-3 around the table, or close to that.
I hope we can find a 1 level 4-3 fit, or a 2 level 4-4 fit
>2) What would you bid with something like:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
This has 2 suitable spots = I would pass , see what pard bids. Maybe a major and we get lucky and find a 4-4 fit at the 1 level.
Its possible opener will bid as well, and take us off the hook.
If pard bids Diamonds, then he may be 3-3-5-2, not such a nice TO DBL
Probably 3/4=4=2. Dimes are OK, dont see a way to find the 4-4.
We could bid hearts over dimes, maybe pard has 4? If not its moving from a 4-3 fit to another 4-3
>3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
Obviously the shapes are different. If pard make a TOX of hearts its much more likely that:
1 - he has 4 spades
2 - responder would support hearts
Responder could have bid 2NT (Truscott / Jordan 2NT) to show a Limit Raise or better of hearts or spades - without that then assume max of 3 card fit. Probably major is 5422 pard has 2 in that major, thus 11 outside. 3/4 in the other major.
With opps opening 1H, pard might overcall spades with 5, or even 5 good ones.
Are you sure?
Are you really sure?
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Posted 2006-November-30, 09:50
mike777, on Nov 30 2006, 07:04 AM, said:
(1c)=x=(xx)=pass(you)
1) What does your pass show?
2) What would you bid with something such as:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
1) What does your pass show?
2) What would you bid with something such as:
xxxx....xxxx....xxx...xx
3) Would your pass of partner's takeout x and the opp xx of an opening bid of 1heart or 1spade mean something different?
1. There are 2 schools of thought on this
school 1 (mostly US): pass shows no preference in particular, asks pard to pick a suit
school 2 (mostly EU): pass shows trump stack and willingness to play the redoubled contract
You just have to agree with pard which style you're playing
2. In school 1 you can pass and leave it to pard to pick a suit. In school 2 you pick hearts and bid 1♥
3. As far as I know, both schools play it as no difference at all.
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Posted 2006-November-30, 11:11
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school 1 (mostly US): pass shows no preference in particular, asks pard to pick a suit
school 2 (mostly EU): pass shows trump stack and willingness to play the redoubled contract
school 2 (mostly EU): pass shows trump stack and willingness to play the redoubled contract
I'd would say wherever you live overwhelmingly people belong to school 1 (with the possible exception of where Whereagles lives).
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Posted 2006-November-30, 11:15
Why would you want to defend a 1 Club contract redoubled, when the opponents have 24+ HCP? They will make it on power and marked finesses, even if you score some trump tricks.
They only need 7.
The only case I can think of is:
opener (11 HCP)
TO X (11)
Responder (10 HCP)
You (8 HCP including Q J T 9 8 in trumps)
Responder may bid normally with a nice suit like a 5 card heart suit headed by AK, beacsue they fear the opps may find a spade fit.
If opener has 13 HCP, his pard 10, thats 23, and this is the usual case and on the low end. 25 HCP would not be uncommon.
1♣ Redoubled = 230.
If making 2 its 430 or 630 if Vuln
430 (8 tricks) with no great fit seems like a good score to me
They only need 7.
The only case I can think of is:
opener (11 HCP)
TO X (11)
Responder (10 HCP)
You (8 HCP including Q J T 9 8 in trumps)
Responder may bid normally with a nice suit like a 5 card heart suit headed by AK, beacsue they fear the opps may find a spade fit.
If opener has 13 HCP, his pard 10, thats 23, and this is the usual case and on the low end. 25 HCP would not be uncommon.
1♣ Redoubled = 230.
If making 2 its 430 or 630 if Vuln
430 (8 tricks) with no great fit seems like a good score to me
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