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Forcing or not?

Poll: 3C is (54 member(s) have cast votes)

3C is

  1. Forcing (15 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  2. Non-forcing (39 votes [72.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.22%

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#1 User is offline   Poky 

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  Posted 2007-December-19, 06:51

Assume some casual expert partnership.

1♠ pass 1NT 2♥
3♣

Is 3♣ forcing or non-forcing?
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Posted 2007-December-19, 06:58

If casual, no.

Casual: 3♥ is the only 100% force.
Non-Casual: Good-Bad 2NT used.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

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Posted 2007-December-19, 08:07

NF
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Posted 2007-December-19, 08:18

F
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Posted 2007-December-19, 08:22

Hi,

I voted forcing, but I would have rather liked
to vote non-forcing.

As a matter of fact, it depends on partnership
agreement, e.g. if you play good-bad 2NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-December-19, 08:31

3♣ looks forcing to me
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Posted 2007-December-19, 08:55

Interesting one !

Given that we play a form of Gazilli where 3♣ would show a 5-5 NF if the opps don't come in, I would assume it as NF in my partnership.

But to be sure I will ask partner tonight ! :P

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Posted 2007-December-19, 09:26

This is an obvious non-forcing sequence for me, don't know anyone who plays it as forcing.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 09:41

Its NF but you need a pretty awful hand to pass.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 09:42

Fluffy, on Dec 19 2007, 03:26 PM, said:

This is an obvious non-forcing sequence for me, don't know anyone who plays it as forcing.

lies. You know me :P
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Posted 2007-December-19, 11:14

What are with these lately. NF!
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 12:12

whereagles, on Dec 19 2007, 03:42 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Dec 19 2007, 03:26 PM, said:

This is an obvious non-forcing sequence for me, don't know anyone who plays it as forcing.

lies. You know me :P

I had my hopes that you had missread the auction or misstyped NF :)
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Posted 2007-December-19, 12:13

NF
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-19, 12:35

pclayton, on Dec 19 2007, 09:41 AM, said:

Its NF but you need a pretty awful hand to pass.

Agreed as I feel it important to fight for the part score.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 12:58

Poky, on Dec 19 2007, 07:51 AM, said:

Assume some casual expert partnership.

1♠ pass 1NT (2♥);
3♣

Is 3♣ forcing or non-forcing?

NF but encouraging.

Opener must have extras in terms of playing strength to bid here.

The Uncontested Auction 1S-1N;3C traditionally shows 19+ in playing strength and is usually considered GF (unless playing a gadget that allows for Inv JS by Opener).

For the Contested Auction 1M-pa-1N-(foo);bar Opener should have something more than a minimum, say ~ a 6 loser hand and medium playing strength.

Responder with 9+ in Playing Points (HCP or Dummy Points or ...) should take another forward going bid and establish a GF.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 17:31

foo, on Dec 19 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

NF but encouraging.

Forcing, but discouraging.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:29

NON FORCING
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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:56

The forcers pass with KQ10xx x Ax KQ10xx?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:59

Hannie, on Dec 20 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

The forcers pass with KQ10xx x Ax KQ10xx?

In Spain they would bid 3♣ and yell at partner when he doesn't see it was non forcing now.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 10:08

Hannie, on Dec 20 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

The forcers pass with KQ10xx x Ax KQ10xx?

we bid a forcing 3♣ anyway, wtp?
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