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2/1 in sayc?

Poll: 2H? (39 member(s) have cast votes)

2H?

  1. Yes (36 votes [92.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 92.31%

  2. No but it's close (2 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

  3. No (1 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2007-December-23, 15:53

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AQJ9xxx
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Red on white pd opens 1st seat with 1♠. 2/1 promises a rebid.
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Posted 2007-December-23, 15:57

SAYC? Of course 2♥!
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Posted 2007-December-23, 16:04

I play the method you describe.

I would treat this hand as too good for 1NT, and therefore take my chances with 2H followed by 3H.
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Posted 2007-December-23, 16:07

A 2/1 may promise a rebid, but I think you have an easy one.
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Posted 2007-December-23, 16:18

2♥ may take us too high if it's a misfit and p for some reason doesn't pass 3♥, but I think 1NT is riskier.

I would be more comfortable with a forcing pass followed by 3♥, though. (Edit: sorry this doesn't make sense, the two things mean the same Dunno what I was thinking).
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Posted 2007-December-23, 16:19

huh? Isnt this hand the reason people play SAYC?! 2H then 3H, perfect
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Posted 2007-December-23, 16:30

helene_t, on Dec 23 2007, 05:18 PM, said:

2♥ may take us too high if it's a misfit and p for some reason doesn't pass 3♥

So what you are saying is the correct bid will take us too high if partner misbids later? I have to agree :)
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Posted 2007-December-23, 22:27

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Posted 2007-December-24, 03:35

OK so you bid 2♥, followed up by 3♥ over 2♠. Pd bids 3NT. 4♥ or not 4♥?
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Posted 2007-December-24, 03:57

Definitely 4♥. Opener is top of his minimum range when he didn't pass 3♥. My hand is pretty useless as dummy in 3NT. In 4♥, however, I will often be able to play this suit for one loser opposite a singleton.

If opener has a singleton or void in hearts *and* a minimum, get a new partner. A common mistake is to "save" partner when they have a misfit, especially a void. Don't!

AKxxxx
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Kxx
Qxxx

Far too often have I seen opener bid forever because he doesn't like responder's suit. A good player would pass 3♥ without hesitation.

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Posted 2007-December-24, 06:21

2H, but depends on your partnership,
you should have a line in the sand,
you wont cross.

Remove one of the out side jacks,
and I would go via 1NT.

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Posted 2007-December-24, 06:24

gwnn, on Dec 24 2007, 04:35 AM, said:

OK so you bid 2♥, followed up by 3♥ over 2♠. Pd bids 3NT. 4♥ or not 4♥?

4H, I have a 7 carder.

The 7th heart made this a 2H bid,
and thats why you have to play 4H,
because your hearts maay not run
and you have no side entry.

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PS: And I agree, 3NT shows add. strength or
heart tolerance, and tolerance means 2 cards.
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Posted 2007-December-24, 11:53

4H
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Posted 2007-December-24, 12:11

4♥. We have 7 where we might have had 6, and they are pretty good too.
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