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#1
Posted 2008-October-23, 13:02
KQTxx
x
KJx
xx
AJ
Kxx
QTxxxx
N opened 1♥ in 4th seat.
p-p-p-1♥
2♦-3♣-p-3♦
p-3NT-end
imps
George Carlin
#2
Posted 2008-October-23, 13:08
His passed-hand partner bid 3♣ into a live auction. The club suit could hardly be any worse than it was, so clubs has to be a playable contract. There is no guarantee that South has 2 diamond stoppers or, if he has only one diamond stopper, that there are 9 running tricks. Furthermore, if South did have 2 diamond stoppers he might bid no trump on his own.
This last point argues for a 3♠ bid by North rather than 3♦. If 3NT is the right contract, then South will bid it on his own. What South will do over 3♠ is not clear, but he may decide that Kxx is not a sufficient diamond stop and bid 4♥ on his AJ doubleton. 4♥ is a very reasonable contract.
Quite frankly, even if South bids 3NT over 3♠, there is much to be said for North continuing on by bidding 4♣. From North's perspective, it is not very likely that 3NT is the right contract opposite a passed hand with a long club suit.
#3
Posted 2008-October-23, 13:13
I agree it's probably a better idea to bid 3♠ than 3♦, then pull 3NT to 4♣.
#4
Posted 2008-October-23, 13:21
jdonn, on Oct 23 2008, 12:13 PM, said:
I agree it's probably a better idea to bid 3♠ than 3♦, then pull 3NT to 4♣.
I agree with this, I also would have bid 3♠ then pulled 3NT to 4♣.
This seems like a very descriptive sequence, and we can't accurately diagnose whether 3NT or 5♣ is the better contract. In my experience, hands like north's (strongish 5431 with 3-card support for partner's minor and a singleton in the opponents' bid and raised suit) very frequently play better in 5m than 3N.
#5
Posted 2008-October-23, 15:40
How can we belong in 3N if partner doesn't bid 3♠ or 3N over 3♥?
#6
Posted 2008-October-23, 16:37
- hrothgar
#7
Posted 2008-October-23, 20:51
--Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.
#8
Posted 2008-October-24, 02:15
***** happens, in other words no blame.
North thought 6 club tricks, give South the A of clubs,
a diamond stopper, the Ace of spade, and most likely
we will find another trick, ... makes 9 tricks.
Hopefully you were green.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#9
Posted 2008-October-24, 02:34
It may be worth noting that 5♣ is not much better (easy to take that pesky spade king plus the minor suit aces).
4♥ is the best game, but I wouldn't say it's exactly cold (could lose two club ruffs, and two aces for example). 3♥ over 3♦ would've been a better bid with the south hand (and the only likely way to reach the heart game).
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#10
Posted 2008-October-24, 09:06
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#11
Posted 2008-October-24, 10:15
#12
Posted 2008-October-24, 10:51
awm, on Oct 24 2008, 01:34 AM, said:
This is just not true, if they lead a diamond (the suit their partner overcalled) then you are almost cold no matter where the SK is. This is much better than 3N.
#13
Posted 2008-October-25, 04:07
Now poor South is under the gun. The ♣s aren't very good. He only has two ♥s, all be it good ones. He does have a ♦ stopper. It looks like a tossup between 3♥s, 3NT, and 4♣. I don't what to blame either player for the contract.