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#1 User is offline   mikegill 

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Posted 2009-May-20, 08:00

Scoring: IMP

p 1♣ p 1♥
1♠ p 2♠ ?


You are playing support doubles but don't have any other special agreements.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 08:17

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You are playing support doubles but don't have any other special agreements.


Pass then... Should be unanimous (but won't)
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Posted 2009-May-20, 09:00

obvious pass
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Posted 2009-May-20, 09:13

Pass, although if g/b applied I'd find the 2N call at MPs.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 10:53

pass at imps
3♥ at mps
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Posted 2009-May-20, 11:21

Phil, on May 20 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

Pass, although if g/b applied I'd find the 2N call at MPs.

even if gb was not discussed, wouldn't your expert partner work it out? How about a fallback agreement that if the opps have bid and raised, 2NT can never be natural? Partner has two hearts, from failure to rebid clubs or open one diamond and it just seems wrong to let the opps play an 8 card fit at the two-level.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 17:19

3♥

Might pass at matchpoints where they will have itchier trigger fingers (but would probably bid anyway).

Partner passed over 1♠ - yes, probably not 3♥, but also not 6 clubs. Most likely partner has a balanced minimum, when 2♠ will usually make, but partner will have no choice but to pass out 2♠. I expect 3♥ to make often enough (for 6 IMPS compared to the pass) for bidding to be worth while.
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Posted 2009-May-20, 17:23

Looks like an easy pass to me, partner has a stiff heart sometimes!
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Posted 2009-May-20, 17:54

This is a lot easier if you play that 1♣-P-2♥ shows an intermediate hand with hearts (high-end weak two).

If you think this is worth bidding 3♥ now, because the AK combo is undervalued in the 6-card suit, you bid 2♥ the first time. If not, you don't. Either way, you make the decision befoe the opponents even find spades.

Of course, that's not the question presented. Just a thought.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 00:48

I'd rather Dbl than bidding 3♥...
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Posted 2009-May-21, 01:09

Free, on May 21 2009, 01:48 AM, said:

I'd rather Dbl than bidding 3♥...

Is the direct 3H more powerful?
I'm not sure with this..
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Posted 2009-May-21, 01:59

rogerclee, on May 20 2009, 11:23 PM, said:

Looks like an easy pass to me, partner has a stiff heart sometimes!

But usually not when opps have a fit and pard didn't even bid 2♣ over 1♠.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 03:17

Free, on May 21 2009, 01:48 AM, said:

I'd rather Dbl than bidding 3♥...

Double seems to me to be a clear error.

If partner bids diamonds (as surely he is allowed to do over a takeout double) you are stuck, because 3♥ would be forcing.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:12

cyc0002002, on May 21 2009, 02:09 AM, said:

Free, on May 21 2009, 01:48 AM, said:

I'd rather Dbl than bidding 3♥...

Is the direct 3H more powerful?
I'm not sure with this..

No, the opposite.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:15

Suppose our minors were reversed and partner had opened 1♦. Now it is impossible for partner to have a singleton heart unless he did not bid with 3-1-5-4 shape or the opponents have only seven spades. In the above case I would bid 3♥, and I don't think it's particularly close.

I agree with pass on the posted hand and auction.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:26

I play transfer lebensohl here, I would bid 2NT followed by 3H. (3D would be invitational at least.)
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Posted 2009-May-21, 09:55

I pass. I'm not sure why I want to bid if partner has a doubleton heart.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 10:28

jdonn, on May 21 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

I pass. I'm not sure why I want to bid if partner has a doubleton heart.

not "sure" either, but, it is certain to me he does (have two hearts), unless he has failed to open or rebid correctly, and it is very likely that both sides have two eight-card fits. Whether or not the LAW is your cup of tea, I dont think we want them playing at the two-level, So 2NT followed by 3H if that is your style, or whatever gets you to 3 Hearts and not four.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 11:20

aguahombre, on May 21 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

it is certain to me he does (have two hearts), unless he has failed to open or rebid correctly

Why can't he be 3145?
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Posted 2009-May-21, 11:22

Partner raises 3H to 4H sometimes imo.
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