[helene_t]

nigel_k, on Aug 21 2009, 01:28 AM, said:

Kaplan/Rubens evaluates it to 9.8 HCP.

Sounds right to me. I wouldn't object to 10.0 but more than that would be too much.

BTW I don't understand partner's 2nd double. Pass wtp, but if he can't stomach to pass with a void, then 3♠ should show this shape when having shown exactly four spades already.

[skjaeran]

I really don't understand the 2nd double. Opps have bid to the 3-level showing values, and you've got almost nothing. Pass should be more than obvious. Btw, east could easily have bid 4♥ here, which is a very lucky make on this layout.

[NickRW]

Well, my 2 cents, I think it was a poor opening even w/r and regardless of your no trump range. Now I think I try 3 spades - or maybe 4 clubs - don't like it, but I think I have myself to blame opening this dren in the first place.

Nick

[cherdanno]

Codo, on Aug 21 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

And you think the range of their overcalls is bigger then the range of their openings?
Interesting idea. I always thought that nothing has such a big range then an one of a suit opener in a natural system.

The range for openings is s.th. like 11-21. The range of a simple overcall is s.th. like 7-19 for many. But even if your range is 8-18 (in which case you may run into other problems, e.g. by doubling with a 19 count and a singleton major), that's effectively a wider range than 11-21. If you make a 11-21 opening bid, most of your hands will fall into the 11-14 range. If you make an 8-18 overcall, most of your hands will fall into the 8-13 range, a considerably wider range.

As for "senior citizens" having their values here, last time I checked Versace is a bit older than 30. So is Welland. Etc.

[Phil]

LOL @ the 2nd double.