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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-July-29, 19:26

Txx
Txx
ATx
xxxx

2NT-x-3♦-p
p-x-p-?

2NT is minors, first x was hcp, second x was takeout.

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Posted 2009-July-29, 19:39

3♥, hating it but what else can I do
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Posted 2009-July-30, 02:16

I pass :D
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Posted 2009-July-30, 02:37

Hi,

if the 2nd double is not only t/o, but promises
add. values, say +18 Pass, is an real option.

Otherwise you have to guess, and your guess
is as good as mine.

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Posted 2009-July-30, 02:56

Partner said takeout so I am taking out.

3♥ WTP?
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Posted 2009-July-30, 03:25

3♥, partner will make 3 tricks at most in the majors against 3♦, 1 in the minors for us would make it only 4. Sure he could have ♣A or K, but LHO could be 65 as well. So run from here now.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 07:49

3♥
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Posted 2009-July-30, 08:09

run.. preferably from the table, second choice to 3 Heart.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 08:16

Pass, partner is unlikely to have five hearts since he could have overcalled 3m with both majors. I think his typical shape here is 4432 or worse.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 09:49

Confident 3♥ ;). I don't hate my hand (really).

As an aside, what is our defense to a 2N opening for the minors? It matters.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 09:58

Phil, on Jul 30 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

Confident 3♥ ;). I don't hate my hand (really).

As an aside, what is our defense to a 2N opening for the minors? It matters.

even if this diverts, I would like to hear answers to that. We don't have a decent one, just 3C and 3D showing weaker and stronger major takeouts and double for cooperative.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 10:01

aguahombre, on Jul 30 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

Phil, on Jul 30 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

Confident 3♥ ;). I don't hate my hand (really).

As an aside, what is our defense to a 2N opening for the minors? It matters.

even if this diverts, I would like to hear answers to that. We don't have a decent one, just 3C and 3D showing weaker and stronger major takeouts and double for cooperative.

I think most play
3♣: t/o with longer hearts, or 5-5
3♦: t/o with longer spades
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Posted 2009-July-30, 10:13

Sorry don't know what defence. Pretend it's something sensible.

BTW Gnome taught me

3♣: 5 hearts 4 spades
3♦: 5 spades 4 hearts
3M: this major, not very good
3NT: natural
4♣: one major, very good
4♦: 5-5
4M: this major, pretty good
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Posted 2009-July-30, 10:21

Cascade, on Jul 30 2009, 01:56 AM, said:

Partner said takeout so I am taking out.

3♥ WTP?


Phil, on Jul 30 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Confident 3♥ ;). I don't hate my hand (really).

As an aside, what is our defense to a 2N opening for the minors? It matters.

I obviously need more confidence in my partner
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Posted 2009-July-30, 10:22

sorry, too many variables --like pass and bid later and 4th chair actions. My bad for asking...will open a new string in non-natural when I get around to it ;)
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Posted 2009-July-30, 11:01

Pass - I don't like to play 4-3 fits when an opponent has announced a 5-5 two-suiter.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 13:49

I pass as well. It's possible they make. Tough luck.
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Posted 2009-July-30, 21:54

This auction is very different to 3♦-X-P-? as in that one it's probably better to pass and take the money. However on this hand where LHO has announced 5-5minors, and with us holding ♣xxxx, they could easily be making 3♦X. Partner's 2nd x was for takeout so the opponents could have a 8-9 card fit. Put me down for 3♥. Partner also knows of the 5-5 (thus bad breaks) as well as our pass over 3♦ so he wouldn't go too crazy.
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Posted 2009-July-31, 04:10

cherdanno, on Jul 30 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

Pass - I don't like to play 4-3 fits when an opponent has announced a 5-5 two-suiter.

You can try 3NT :P, it will probably go undoubled.
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Posted 2009-July-31, 04:52

3H. What else? pass is nuts.
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