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aces, intermediates, what else do you want?

#21 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-November-02, 18:09

partner held

♠Ax
♥Q10xx
♦Jxx
♣K10xx

I made 10 easy tricks, but 11 where avaible.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 18:13

Bidding 3S is completely hopeless with this suit. If you are going to drive to the 3 level you can bid 2C then bid again. If you get passed in 2C it will definitely be better than playing in 3S so that is not even a concern. 2C allows you to find hearts or clubs, or stop in 2S when partner is bidding 2D over 2C, and does not overstate your spade suit. Partner will routinely raise you with a stiff honor if you bid 3S on this hand.

Obviously if he has to allow for you to have a crappy suit he won't bid 3N, but then you will be losing out on all the times he guesses to bid 3N instead of 4M and is wrong. Not to mention losing out all the times you are in some hopeless 3S contract with 4 trump losers.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 18:44

Fluffy, on Nov 2 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

partner held

♠Ax
♥Q10xx
♦Jxx
♣K10xx

I made 10 easy tricks, but 11 where avaible.

Of course playing BART a pretty common expert convention, pard can never hold this hand.
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Posted 2009-November-03, 02:02

Call me agricultural if you like, but without any sophisticated methods I'd bid

  1♠-1NT
  2♠-3♠
  4♠
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-November-03, 02:26

I hope p didn't bid 2S with this hand?!
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Posted 2009-November-03, 06:09

what else do you expect him to bid?
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Posted 2009-November-03, 07:24

Gonzalo said:

what else do you expect him to bid?

how about 3♣ or 2nt?
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Posted 2009-November-03, 09:45

OK I've been convinced as to the merits of 2♣.
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Posted 2009-November-03, 10:02

I think partner's 2♠ bid was fine. The way I play Bart I would bid 2♦ intending to bid 2NT next, which for me shows a 2NT bid that also has 4 clubs. But over 2♦ partner would bid 2♠ showing a little extra with short diamonds (presumably 5314) and then we would find our way to 4♠ (I'd bid 2NT anyway which has the same meaning but is now forcing, 3♠ by partner, 4♠).
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Posted 2009-November-03, 16:21

If playing Bart I much prefer showing a hand with a doubleton spade and about 9 points (2S direct over 2C in my preferred methods, but 2D then 2S in normal Bart).

If not playing Bart, I would usually bid 3C if playing semi forcing NT. Playing forcing NT and no Bart it is a pretty ugly 3 way race between 2S 2N and 3C. I would blame the terrible system.
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