[raist]

ALL VUL

you are a passed hand
partner overcalls LHO's 1C opening with 1H, RHO passes

you hold

Qx KTxx Jxx T9xx


do you raise?
if you do, what do you raise?

i am really not sure what is the best action here so some reasons/analysis will be very helpful thanks

on the one hand you have 4 card support

on the other hand you have minimal and soft values, with little/no shape

does it make a difference whether you are a passed hand or no?

additional info:
overcalling style is generally sound at these colours (you can expect 10 hcp)
if you have any special raising methods please do tell
(i play 3H here is 0-6, 4cH and 3D as a mixed raise)

[gwnn]

I do raise partner. Exactly how I raise him depends on exact methods and overcalling style I guess. But I would never ever ever pass. In the words of another poster here, if a gun would be held to my head not to raise my partner, I would take the bullet before I'd pass.

The most obvious reason why pass is very bad is that opps will have an easier auction and we will have a harder auction if we pass. Another reason is that if I pass, partner will have no idea what's going on from now on in the bidding or in defence. I would like to help my partner.

As a general rule, try to find any excuse to raise partner, especially with 4 card support.

Anyway I would bid 2♥. I would need a little more for 3♦ and the ♠Q in hearts for 3♥.

[helene_t]

You have very good support and there is no reason to think that ♠Q and ♦J are useless.

I think 2♥ is enough vulnerable. 3♥ if nonvul.

As a passed hand you have almost enough to a 2♣ (or 3♣) constructive raise but not quite.

A psychic 1♠ could also work. Anything is better than pass.

[jdonn]

Raise! I bid 2♥ at any vul.

[hanp]

Of course you raise to 2H!

[EricK]

Looks like a 2♥ bid to me.

[pooltuna]

raist, on Nov 27 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

ALL VUL

you are a passed hand
partner overcalls LHO's 1C opening with 1H, RHO passes

you hold

Qx KTxx Jxx T9xx


do you raise?
if you do, what do you raise?

i am really not sure what is the best action here so some reasons/analysis will be very helpful thanks

on the one hand you have 4 card support

on the other hand you have minimal and soft values, with little/no shape

does it make a difference whether you are a passed hand or no?

additional info:
overcalling style is generally sound at these colours (you can expect 10 hcp)
if you have any special raising methods please do tell
(i play 3H here is 0-6, 4cH and 3D as a mixed raise)

jeez how many times do you have to say it SUPPORT W/SUPPORT

[neilkaz]

Raise of course !

[the hog]

Frankly, I don't care if partner's overcalling style is sound or unsound. If you don't raise, then I don't know why you even bother with any overcalls at all.

[mr1303]

I would bid 2H on this hand all positions all vulnerabilities, whether partner is passed or not.

However I would never bid anything other than 2H.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Raise.

Since RHO passed, there is no big need to bid more than 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gnasher]

It wouldn't occur to me to bid only 2♥. This is a normal raise to 3♥.

Imagine that you're opener with a 4225 17-count. Which raise would you like to hear?

[jdonn]

I play 3♥ as preemptive in nature. Nothing about this hand makes me want to preempt at all. On that basis I don't see a reason to get too high vulnerable and go minus for no particularly good reason.

We certainly have a different idea of normal here.

[Little Kid]

2♥, not particularly keen on bidding 3♥ with a flat hand and soft values.

[jonottawa]

If partner bid 2♥ with that, I'd be fine with it. If partner bid 3♥ with that, I'd be fine with it. If partner did anything else with that, I wouldn't be fine with it.

[skjaeran]

2♥ for me. Too good for a preemptive 3♥ raise, and too flat also. Not good enough for stronger actions. (Passing isn't an option.)