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Double of 2♣ is 'don't lead clubs!'
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Posted 2009-December-04, 01:36
You're playing with an unfamiliar partner so 2♣ is undiscussed but they are good.
Double of 2♣ is 'don't lead clubs!'
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Posted 2009-December-04, 01:51
2cXX scores more than game imo
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Posted 2009-December-04, 02:08
If they are "good", then 2C is a cue raise. That is pretty much standard these days, isn't it? I am certainly not xx
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Posted 2009-December-04, 02:14
XX.
Can hardly go wrong. (Bidding-wise.)
Can hardly go wrong. (Bidding-wise.)
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
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Posted 2009-December-04, 03:19
I think lead stopping doubles are a horrible agreement to have after we open 1 minor.
We could have a 4-4 club even LOL. Easy xx.
We could have a 4-4 club even LOL. Easy xx.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 04:17
OleBerg, on Dec 4 2009, 03:14 PM, said:
XX.
Can hardly go wrong. (Bidding-wise.)
Can hardly go wrong. (Bidding-wise.)
Can't it? Even if it can't, the call is totally fatuous.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 04:27
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Double of 2♣ is 'don't lead clubs!'
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Posted 2009-December-04, 04:38
I am not as confident as some but I would XX.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 04:53
2nt, I'm not sure redouble would be taken as I want it to.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 04:54
Just pass, you can't get them every time. My clubs are not quite good enough to xx.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 05:07
As your partner, without an explicit agreement about the redouble, I'd never take the risk of passing it. That sort of misunderstanding can be horribly expensive.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-December-04, 05:31
gnasher, on Dec 4 2009, 01:07 PM, said:
As your partner, without an explicit agreement about the redouble, I'd never take the risk of passing it. That sort of misunderstanding can be horrible expensive.
Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway.
If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 06:32
I would also pass. The auction is forcing to 2♥, so pass is forcing. This means extra's but no useful call available. The alternative is XX, this could also work out fine.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 08:24
Jlall, on Dec 4 2009, 05:38 AM, said:
I am not as confident as some but I would XX.
my initial gut reaction was XX has to be right but on further reflection it looks like we may be pushing them into finding a fit especially if we end up with a double fit ourselves and pointy suits have a competitive advantage over roundy suits
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Posted 2009-December-04, 09:48
The distain for the "Don't lead" double is justified if it is abused with short (4 or fewer) minor having been opened.
Double showing extra club length but suggesting a different lead is quite workable -- not suggesting a different suit to compete in.
Back to the problem: pass should be the weakest hand you can have. 2H should be neutral. You have a decent overcall, but not quite enough to bid game. Perhaps Redouble should show approximately this hand. Seems like it would be a bigger problem without the double giving you extra choices. Without the double I would have chosen a neutral 2NT.
Double showing extra club length but suggesting a different lead is quite workable -- not suggesting a different suit to compete in.
Back to the problem: pass should be the weakest hand you can have. 2H should be neutral. You have a decent overcall, but not quite enough to bid game. Perhaps Redouble should show approximately this hand. Seems like it would be a bigger problem without the double giving you extra choices. Without the double I would have chosen a neutral 2NT.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 11:51
Rewind that sheeit
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Posted 2009-December-04, 13:39
gonna pass. Perhaps pard can clear out his intentions at a low level.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 18:10
OleBerg, on Dec 4 2009, 06:31 PM, said:
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Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway.
If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway.
Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway.
If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway.
Extra values? Did someone edit the original hand? Have YOU discussed what the xx means with YOUR partner?
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Posted 2009-December-05, 02:52
The_Hog, on Dec 5 2009, 02:10 AM, said:
OleBerg, on Dec 4 2009, 06:31 PM, said:
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Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway.
If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway.
Maybe it is unlikely that partner will pass, but "exstra values, no good bid" seems like a good description anyway.
If partner takes it as SOS, he is probably going to FCK up anyway.
Extra values?
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Did someone edit the original hand? Have YOU discussed what the xx means with YOUR partner?
Yes, with my regular partner it would show two or more small cards in the suit. Pass would suggest playing 2♣.
But the OP stated, that I was playing with an unfamiliar partner.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-December-05, 04:34
gnasher, on Dec 4 2009, 06:07 AM, said:
As your partner, without an explicit agreement about the redouble, I'd never take the risk of passing it. That sort of misunderstanding can be horribly expensive.
what would you think partner would misunderstand it as?
(1♣)-1♥-(P)-2♣
(Dbl)-?