[Hairy_Scot]

Scoring: IMP


Bidding :-

1♦ pass 1♥ pass
??

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What is your rebid and why?

[mike777]

Hairy_Scot, on Dec 2 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP


Bidding :-

1♦ pass 1♥ pass
??

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What is your rebid and why?

2c no problem yet.

[aguahombre]

2C. because this hand is a 3D rebid with 4 clubs. That might not make sense, but 2D would be a gross underbid now, and 3D might lose a club fit...if you later bid 3D partner will expect a hand too good to bid 2D on the second round.

[Jlall]

2C because I have 4 of them

[whereagles]

2♣ because when you have little fit for pard's suit, it's better to show as much as possible of your own hand. 2♣ shows a 5-4 (9 cards) and 2♦ shows 6 diamonds (6 cards).

[helene_t]

2♣. The only other bids that are possible with a hand with this strength (16-17 points) are 1♠, 3♦ and 3♥. 3♦ takes away more bidding space while not describing the hand very well. 2♣ followed by 3♦ in the next round describes the hand well.

[Free]

2♣ is there any alternative?

[andy_h]

2♣, because I fail to see any other remotely close of an alternative.

[P_Marlowe]

2C.

The first question to answer is, do you want to force to game with openers
hand? My answer to this question is no.

Now you need to answer 2C or 3D,
2C has the adv. that it showes 5-4, but a wider HCP (12-17) range, but 50%
of your HCP are in your 2nd suit
3D has the adv. that it showes a tighter HCP range

I would go with 2C, and if I get another chance follow up with 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pooltuna]

Hairy_Scot, on Dec 2 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP


Bidding :-

1♦ pass 1♥ pass
??

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What is your rebid and why?

I am systemically screwed by this hand so have to choose between 3♦ and 3♣ I would probably elect 3♦

[aguahombre]

pooltuna, on Dec 3 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

Hairy_Scot, on Dec 2 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠ K64 ♥   ♦ KQ9762 ♣ AKJ3

Bidding :- 1♦ pass 1♥ pass ??

What is your rebid and why?

I am systemically screwed by this hand so have to choose between 3♦ and 3♣ I would probably elect 3♦

I understand you use 2C as a gadget, but can't this hand be incorporated into it as a possibility?

[ggwhiz]

I'm in for 2c. If responder bids 2h, I can pattern out with 2s with my current pard (about a jack short) OR bid 3d if I'm not feeling it.

Just missed the 2c = gadget. I've had a lot of good luck bidding 1s over 1h, typically with a 3-1-5-4 hand and some extras.

Does anyone remember that Meckwell invented support doubles because they were getting to too many 3-3 fits?

[kenrexford]

If I was playing a Walsh approach, where a 1♠ rebid showed (3)4 spades but 5+ diamonds, and if 2♣ could be a canape bid and hence passable, then I might bid 1♠, maybe.

Otherwise, 2♣ seems obvious.

[hanp]

2C, no problem yet.

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on Dec 3 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Dec 3 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

Hairy_Scot, on Dec 2 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> K64 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> KQ9762 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AKJ3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>
Bidding :-

1♦ pass 1♥ pass
?? </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->


What is your rebid and why?

I am systemically screwed by this hand so have to choose between 3♦ and 3♣ I would probably elect 3♦

I understand you use 2C as a gadget, but can't this hand be incorporated into it as a possibility?

The problem I have is I use 1♦ ...2♣ rebid with all minimal xy45 and xy54 hands

[jdonn]

So why can't you bid 2♣ anyway?

[ggwhiz]

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The problem I have is I use 1♦ ...2♣ rebid with all minimal xy45 and xy54 hands

Looks like you gotta change that agreement or re-bid 1 spade. The latter approach can be a lot of fun!

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Dec 3 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

So why can't you bid 2♣ anyway?

mainly because I don't like getting passed in 2♣ when partner holds

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[hanp]

I don't know if you are trolling or not.

So your 2C rebid can also be a minimal hand with 4 diamonds and 5 clubs. Then why would partner pass with that hand?

An example with 2 diamonds and 3 clubs might be more convincing.

[helene_t]

You play some weird methods, Pooltuna.

In standard methods, 2♣ shows some 11-17 points with at least 4-4 in the minors. With your example hand, p bids 2[cI]. OK, make one of the diamonds a spade and he will have to take a view. Still, he is not expected to pass with 9 points.