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#1 User is offline   ewj 

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Posted 2009-December-09, 10:18

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1♣ on your right, you bid 1♠, LHO doubles and partner bids 4♠.
Rho bids 5♣ and LHO bids 6♣.

What's your lead?
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Posted 2009-December-09, 10:21

boring ♦K for me...
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Posted 2009-December-09, 10:25

I will try a spade. Alternatively, I could save declarer all the work of elimination and endplay, by just leading the diamond king so he can claim.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 10:28

ewj, on Dec 9 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

you bid 1♠

:o

... now that we're here, I guess I lead a trump. With the double it seems too easy for ♦AJ or AT to hit in dummy.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 11:08

ewj, on Dec 9 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

1♣ on your right, you bid 1♠

No I don't.

Spade lead for me. K♦ seems to cater to partner holding a trump trick or the ♥J.

I'd rather mask my diamond holding and try to take two tricks there.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 11:23

ewj, on Dec 9 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Dealer: East
Vul: ????
Scoring: IMP
♠ J9843
♥ Qxx
♦ KQx
♣ T9
 


1♣ on your right, you bid 1♠, LHO doubles and partner bids 4♠.
Rho bids 5♣ and LHO bids 6♣.

What's your lead?

unless I have managed to create the impression in RHO that I might have underled the ♥A I also lead the ♦K
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Posted 2009-December-09, 11:37

♦K for me, too. I wouldn't do it, but I have to admit to being curious about what would happen on the lead of the Q. Ditto Phil by the way, with respect to the overcall. I pass 1♣. But if the person who overcalled drops dead after the auction, and I have to fill in to make the lead, it's a diamond.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 13:50

I'm gonna try a ♥x. ♦ seems like the textbook lead (never a spade!), but if declarer wants to play for split honors in ♦ I don't want to let him off it.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 14:09

I agree with a NV 1♠. V I would pass.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 14:18

Ditto a few on not overcalling 1♠, regardless of vuln for me.

I'd probably lead a trump. K♦ also seems reasonable. Not sure how a heart could be right, and many ways it could be a disaster (Jx opposite AKxx for example).
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Posted 2009-December-09, 14:59

Will lead a club
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Posted 2009-December-10, 01:41

King of diamonds and I passed first.
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Posted 2009-December-10, 03:10

♦K without much thought. Hearts might soon be running.

I'd be tempted to bid 1♠ at favourable, but would refrain unless I really wanted to try and mess things up. (For one side or the other.)
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Posted 2009-December-10, 12:47

Obviously, if spades are 2-2 we need to lead a spade
If declarer has one spade we must take partner's ace of spades before it disappears on hearts and wait for our diamond trick when LHO has AKJx hearts.

I'm struggling to find a hand where a diamond is right - you need partner to have a top heart(seriously unlikely - LHO bids slam missing KQ KQ in his suits?) preventing declarer throwing his diamond away AND assuming this won't allow declarer to establish diamonds to throw a heart when dummy has AJxx f/e. Not to forget ofc all the hands when you give the diamond suit away.
A heart is bizare - you need partner to have the K and probably the J or 10 (declarer can run it round to his J or 10 and then throw his diamond away)
A passive club seems pointless with KQ Q in the slot.

spade FTW.
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Posted 2009-December-10, 17:05

It sounds like declarer is ready for a spade lead. Partner and both opps appear to be bidding on lots of distributional points, since I hold 8 HCP and opps are at 6 level with partner supporting spades. So, I lead a trump (the 10), and if I get in with the diamond K, I expect to lead another trump. Diamond K lead will hurt if RHO holds J and pard holds the 10.
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Posted 2009-December-10, 17:44

tks, Scrote, for explaining why I led a spade instead of a club - in case the opps' bidding is shakey, the spade gives some additional chances and I am sure they have enough trumps not to be threatened by a trump lead. I just led a spade because it was closest to my right thumb. Opening leads are not my forte.

I might have chosen a different username, though.
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Posted 2009-December-10, 17:57

♦K
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Posted 2009-December-10, 20:22

scrote, on Dec 10 2009, 01:47 PM, said:

I'm struggling to find a hand where a diamond is right - you need partner to have a top heart(seriously unlikely - LHO bids slam missing KQ KQ in his suits?) preventing declarer throwing his diamond away AND assuming this won't allow declarer to establish diamonds to throw a heart when dummy has AJxx f/e. Not to forget ofc all the hands when you give the diamond suit away.
A heart is bizare - you need partner to have the K and probably the J or 10 (declarer can run it round to his J or 10 and then throw his diamond away)
A passive club seems pointless with KQ Q in the slot.

spade FTW.

Who said KQ Q are in the slot? Responder didn't guarantee the A of diamonds and AKJ of hearts for his double and raise. He just evaluated his hand and decided slam was the correct bid.

K of diamonds is necessary when declarer needs to set up hearts (losing 1 in the process) for diamond discards. One situation might be

Axx AKxx xxx Kxx opposite
x Jxx Ax AQJT9xx

would be one example where we need to lead the diamond now. Amusingly, a heart lead is the only lead that leads to 13 tricks on that layout :(

I wimped out and led a trump. Responder might be able to trump something someday, so maybe that will be a good thing.
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