[cherdanno]

Ant590, on Apr 21 2010, 08:15 AM, said:

Yes, Casaba has it right, my comment about the equivalence of 1♣-1♦-2♠ and 1♣-1♠-2♠ was quite misleading.

There are some hands which would have bid 1♠ over 1♦ which now have to bid 2♠; i.e. hands that can't really bare to be passed out in 1NT/2♣ but would have chanced a 1♠ bid as the latter is hardly ever passed (whereas 1NT/2♣ is more frequently).

You should just define 2S as a reverse - there really isn't anything else you can bid with a reverse hand.

[gwnn]

I am not a watermelon.

[billw55]

whereagles, on Apr 21 2010, 07:28 AM, said:

yes, completely.

gwnn said:

is eminently playable as 11-18

Perhaps the bid-all-24-point-games crowd is not as big as I thought.

As for the actual auction 1♣-1♠*-2♠. If this is not actually equivalent to 1♣-1♦-2♠, then how much would we say opener has promised at this point?

[gwnn]

bill what are you saying? partner will not generally pass 1♠ except when he is disgusted by his hand. cf the thread that I will look up in a second.

[gwnn]

this is the thread I meant:

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=37626

everybody agreed with bidding 1d and then 1s on 19 and nobody agreed with passing with 6 and stiff in partner's main suit.

[Phil]

Agree with MikeH and prefer 4♦ to 3♥. 4♦ is very ambiguous after ....3♥ - 4♣ - 4♦.

Agree with the others that 3N is an underbid - by about an Ace.

[TimG]

billw55, on Apr 20 2010, 08:27 AM, said:

It is true responder's hand is also good for his bidding. But what call will he try over 3NT? From his seat it doesn't look like such a great fit. Maybe 4NT? How well would that work when opener has ♦x or ♦xx (very reasonable on the bidding)? Gwnn is right, the magic card is the ♦K and opener has it.

I'd like partner's chances in 6N if he holds ♠AQxx ♥AK ♦xx ♣AKTxx.

I agree with those who have suggested opener should bid 4♦ instead of 3N on the actual auction. But, if the 2♠ rebid really showed GF jump-shift values, I think responder is worth another bid over 3N, too, probably a simple quantitative 4N.