[the_clown]

Hi guys,

Can you recommend me an advanced book describing 2/1 system?

Thank you in advance.

Yordan

[babalu1997]

 the_clown, on 2010-December-02, 07:20, said:

Hi guys,

Can you recommend me an advanced book describing 2/1 system?

Thank you in advance.

Yordan

i think one of the major ones is Washington Standard by Robinson-- it is sold by barclays baron.

[ArcLight]

 the_clown, on 2010-December-02, 07:20, said:

Hi guys,

Can you recommend me an advanced book describing 2/1 system?

Thank you in advance.

Yordan

Mike Lawrence has a book on 2/1 (2 I think), and he has a great software program (sold on BBO) on 2/1

[WrecksVee]

Wahington Standard is 2/1 forcing to game. Lawrence's book in 2/1 GF unless the 2/1 suit is rebid. The choice is a matter of style.

Max Hardy would also be a good choice. If a website is OK I suggest looking at http://www.rpbridge.net/rpbr.htm the home page of Richard Pavlicek. The system file on the version of Eastern 2/1 he played with the late William Root is interesting. Finally you could consider Kokish and Kraft's Modern American Bidding which is software and a booklet on their proposed methods.

[paulg]

Mike Lawrence's 'Workbook on the Two over One System' has provided the foundation for most of my bidding over the last fifteen years. Naturally I highly recommend it. I found it far more readable than the Hardy alternative and Robinson's Washington Standard. The only disclaimer is that I love all of Lawrence's books

[Phil]

Anything but Hardy.

Lawrence is great but he has a quirky writing style. I've heard Paul Thurston's book is quite good.

Does anyone really consider Washington Standard a 2/1 system?

[kenberg]

 Phil, on 2010-December-03, 15:58, said:

Anything but Hardy.

Lawrence is great but he has a quirky writing style. I've heard Paul Thurston's book is quite good.

Does anyone really consider Washington Standard a 2/1 system?

Well, Steve probably does. But I am not following you. Almost all 2/1 sequences in WS are gf. The exception is the specific sequence 1♦-2♣-2♦-2NT. It's true that it is intended as an overall approach based on 2/1 being gf, but he discusses a reasonable number of 2/1 sequences.

Like Paulg, I am a big Mike Lawrence fan. On a different thread with roughly the same topic, I recommended Lawrence's disk (in which rebidding the minor does not cancel the gf). But yes, I think that WS is a 2/1 system in some reasonable sense of the phrase.

As to Hardy, I think Lawrence and Hardy (almost wrote Laurel and Hardy) are antipodal. An enthusiast for one would probably not much like the other.

[blackshoe]

Hm. I'm not wedded to either bidding style — although I probably lean towards Lawrence's (Eastern?) style, where 2/1 is "GF unless responder rebids his suit". That's probably because I'm a fan of Romex, which also uses that style. That said, with my current regular partner, I'm playing something pretty close to Hardy.

I have to admit I much prefer Lawrence's writing style to Hardy's.

[rduran1216]

the thurston book is excellent, maybe its a southern CA thing cause thats what everyone around here recommended when i was coming up

[MrAce]

 rduran1216, on 2010-December-10, 13:01, said:

the thurston book is excellent, maybe its a southern CA thing cause thats what everyone around here recommended when i was coming up

Which book is that ?

[blackshoe]

25 Steps to 2/1. Masterpoint Press.

[CarlRitner]

I like everything from Mike Lawrence. I like the 2/1 almost Game Force books and I like the 2/1 Game Force software. I also like the Hardy bidding structure, but not his earlier books. The two new ones by Hardy (Standard - Green) and (Advanced - Purple) have been thoroughly rewritten (or at least highly edited) and are probably the best books you are going to find for his particular style. I cannot keep those books in stock.

Thurston's book is extremely well written but I would not consider it advanced, which is what the original poster expressed interest in.

[dustinst22]

The Lawrence book and software are excellent, I just wish he'd hire someone with an engineering mind to properly structure them (Gitelman comes to mind -- in fact, I hope Gitelman puts together a book or software one day on 2/1).

They read too much like a stream of consciousness and it's difficult for one to organize into a system.

[JLOGIC]

Still writing it, for now KenRexford obv!

[whereagles]

what a coincidence, I am so writing one too

[CarlRitner]

 dustinst22, on 2011-January-04, 10:25, said:

The Lawrence book and software are excellent, I just wish he'd hire someone with an engineering mind to properly structure them (Gitelman comes to mind -- in fact, I hope Gitelman puts together a book or software one day on 2/1).

They read too much like a stream of consciousness and it's difficult for one to organize into a system.

I am curious to see what a proper structure looks like.
The Complete Guide to Contested Auctions (Lawrence & Leong) looked pretty close to me.

[CarlRitner]

Maybe this needs to be a separate topic, since it is generating no interest within this one?

[y66]

 JLOGIC, on 2011-January-04, 12:31, said:

Still writing it, for now KenRexford obv!

 whereagles, on 2011-January-04, 13:08, said:

what a coincidence, I am so writing one too

It would be extremely helpful and cool if some modern expert were to produce a work focusing on continuations of 2/1 sequences, in the spirit of Mike Lawrence's best stuff on 2/1, esp. its practicality (not too complex) and the clarity of its examples, but more in keeping with modern expert practice. In the meantime, this forum is still the best source I've seen for thoughtful discussions of this stuff. Not easy to find things quickly though.