[kgr]

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All Vulnerable at MP's.
(You play 2♦ multi and that includes the weak 2♠)

Spoiler

I opened 2D and the bidding continued. Opps always passing:
2D-3H (3H is preemptive with 3+H and 3+S)
What do you bid now?

[MickyB]

Multi or 1S depending how sound your 1M openings are. I bid 3S now.

[gwnn]

1♠.

If I bid 2♦ I will respect the system and bid 3♠.

[jillybean]

1♠ wtp?

If I have to open 2♦, then 3♠

[mikestar13]

1♠ wtp; if playing a system where I can't open this hand at the one 1evel, 3♠. if I open 2♦, 3♠ now: LOTT says I have enough to bid 4♠, but with them passing throughout, I have a fair chance to buy it at three.

[kgr]

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Making 3♠+1
Note: We open all 12 pts, good 11 pts (a good 5-Card Major, pnts not distributed too bad...).
Do you qualify this hand then also as a 1♠ opener.
Note2: If you open 1♠ and partner bids 2♣/2♦, do you rebid 4♠ then? What when he bids a non-forcing 1NT?
Edited: Added 3S by S

[gwnn]

Note: Yes I do.
Note2: No, I rebid 2♠ in both cases. I don't want to end in 4♠ no matter what. Our suit quality is awful. That's one of the reasons why I don't like 2♦.

[mgoetze]

North has a lot of controls and a guaranteed 9-card fit. The bidding

2♦(multi) - 2NT(ask);
3♦(max with spades) - 4♠

would not be entirely unreasonable. I can certainly understand that North did not choose it, though.

[wank]

mgoetze, on 2011-January-09, 08:07, said:

North has a lot of controls and a guaranteed 9-card fit. The bidding

2♦(multi) - 2NT(ask);
3♦(max with spades) - 4♠

would not be entirely unreasonable. I can certainly understand that North did not choose it, though.

i think suggesting north might enquire for game is resulting of the highest order. A normal max weak 2 gives game virtually no play

[MickyB]

gwnn, on 2011-January-09, 06:56, said:

Our suit quality is awful. That's one of the reasons why I don't like 2♦.

Really? IMO the seventh spade makes up for the poor suit quality, the only question is how good the hand is. If you remove the heart queen, opening 2D would be automatic.

[gwnn]

MickyB, on 2011-January-09, 11:17, said:

Really? IMO the seventh spade makes up for the poor suit quality, the only question is how good the hand is. If you remove the heart queen, opening 2D would be automatic.

I agree with that. But Ace-empty any-th is one of my pet peeves for any preemptive action. Here 1♠ is a good description of the hand so I can choose it. Without the heart queen I'd bid 2♦ because 1♠ is obviously ridiculous. Note that the odr of the hand went up as well when we changed the queen of hearts to the deuce of hearts, so 2♦ became more desirable and 1♠ less desirable.

[nigel_k]

It's true that game is still good when the ♥Q is taken away. But missing a game when nearly every card is working is bad luck. Missing a game with a queen and jack to spare is probably not. I agree with 1♠ on the original hand. With the ♥Q removed, the problem is that 2♦ will be too little when partner has fitting spade cards but will be plenty when he doesn't.

I also don't agree with 3♥ on the North hand (presumably this was converted to 3♠). I would try to buy it in two of a major and go to the three level only if necessary. I don't mind if they outbid me after that. If the reason for bidding 3♥ was the LOTT: you don't know they also have a nine card fit, 4333 one of those minus factors the law ignores, and the law just plain doesn't work anyway. It's usually off by a trick or more and this is not the sort of hand you can afford that.