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Forcing or NF? "standard" bidding

Poll: 1D-1S-2D-2H (51 member(s) have cast votes)

Is 1D-1S-2D-2H forcing?

  1. Yes, forcing (20 votes [39.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.22%

  2. No, not forcing (21 votes [41.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  3. Same as 1D-1S-Pass-2H (10 votes [19.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.61%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2011-January-14, 18:54

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?
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Posted 2011-January-14, 19:19

Your options above are not mutually exclusive.
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Posted 2011-January-14, 19:44

I think I'm in a minority, but I play all of these as forcing.
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Posted 2011-January-14, 19:54

Not to me.
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Posted 2011-January-14, 20:02

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Your options above are not mutually exclusive.


Right.

I want to check #2 and #3.
Absent an agreement otherwise, I'd assume it's the same as if responder passed; and absent an agreement about that, new suit by advancer NF.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 00:13

i play it as NF when responder passes.

given responder's bid there's even more reason to play it as NF - you can now double as well with a strong hand
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Posted 2011-January-15, 01:16

So many playing negative free bids :)

The have a fit, it is a competitive auction, we need to be able to compete for the partscore on as many hands as possible.

Non forcing makes much more sense than forcing.

I happen to play

(1m) 1♠ (Pass) 2♥ as forcing

but even these auctions i think there is a good case for non-forcing although there are some issues with what to do with forcing hands.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 01:17

I think it's pretty clear that the third option is supposed to be "forcing if and only if you play the other sequence as forcing".

Anyway, I would say NF even though I think the other sequence is forcing.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 02:38

Seems like its gonna come up most often when competing for a partscore and trying to find the best spot, so non forcing, but constructive, the 2D bid is relevant, because I can force by making a responsive double and bidding again to show good stuff I think.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 10:50

Although I play 2H as forcing after 3rd hand passes, our general rule is that these bids are non-forcing when everyone is bidding. If you have a good hand you double first. If you have a serious single-suiter with hearts you are slightly stuffed because we play 2H as non-forcing and 3H as fit, so you have to just bid 4H (hardly a disaster) or double then bid hearts.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 16:55

View Postawm, on 2011-January-14, 18:54, said:

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?



Playing BWS2001 defaults:
no, non-forcing, but I think it should show a good 5card. The forcing bid is Double= for T/O or showing general values, depending on the level.
I am not sure what a cue-bid 3♦ would mean. Is it simply a good raise to 3♠ ? or a Western style cue-bid. I do not find a clue to this in the BWSdocument.
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Posted 2011-January-17, 04:41

I would 2H treat the same way, as I would treat it without the raise.

Since 2H over 1S would be NF, ..., that may not come as a surprise.

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Posted 2011-January-17, 04:45

I play this as non-forcing.
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Posted 2011-January-17, 10:10

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All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?


and no one passing in-between? :P

NF even if there is no 2♦ call on my right. I've changed this in the last year.
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Posted 2011-January-17, 13:11

I play that when three players bid, a new suit by the 4th is not forcing. Also 2-over-1 would be NF, 2-over-2 I play forcing as a 2-level overcall.
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Posted 2011-January-17, 16:59

Move my vote to nf. I misread the problem.
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Posted 2011-January-18, 08:14

View Postawm, on 2011-January-14, 18:54, said:

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?


That depends on agreements. Mine is it's not forcing, but it would be if LHO hadn't bid.
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Posted 2011-January-19, 17:54

I was recently asked about this at a local club game. My response was that "standard" would be 2♥ not forcing here. I was then asked what to do with a forcing hand, and said that you are somewhat fixed. :)

Personally I like to play 2♥ as forcing in this sequence, but with a pickup expert partner I would certainly assume NF.
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Posted 2011-January-23, 19:41

As per Mike Lawrence's Overcalls, 2♥ is NF, 3♥ is natural, inv, and X followed by hearts would be GF.

3♥ as a fit-jump makes sense too.
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Posted 2011-January-24, 01:49

View Postkriegel, on 2011-January-23, 19:41, said:

As per Mike Lawrence's Overcalls, 2♥ is NF, 3♥ is natural, inv, and X followed by hearts would be GF.

3♥ as a fit-jump makes sense too.


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Yes, what about 3♥.
In line with my other methods (BWS2001) this would be a one suited hand, NF, but inviting ....If partner is not absolutely minimum for his overcall, or has a good hand in ♥ he can bid game.
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