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reopening at the 1 level

Poll: reopening at the 1 level (21 member(s) have cast votes)

You would bid...

  1. double (12 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. 2 clubs (2 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  3. 2 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3 clubs (7 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  5. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2011-January-15, 02:45

♠AK10
♥5
♦AQ
♣KJ98765

All vul, MPs (but say so if you'd do different at IMPs), south is dealer


1♣-(1♥)-pass-(pass)
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Posted 2011-January-15, 02:53

im bidding 2C. I may be rolling 3NT if partner has Q10xx of hearts and Q of clubs, but thats really stretching.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 04:24

Double. Too strong for any other action.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 06:21

Double with this strong hand ... and protect partner since you are playing the Neg-DBL convention.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 06:41

I would double. I think 3♣ is not unreasonable though.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 10:36

3♣ for me. I'd like better clubs, but I think we'll have a LOT more problems after a double.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 12:42

Double looks normal. The spade and diamond holdings will be useful in defence, so I won't mind if partner passes. If he bids 1♠ or 2♦, I'll bid 3♣ anyway, which presumably shows a strong hand.

I think a direct 3♣ should look more like AQx x Kx KQJxxxx.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 15:11

I learned this rule early when deciding whether to X or bid a suit: Would I have passed if partner made a penalty X? Here I certainly would, I have a 7 card suit but I have a ton of defense on the outside also, so I double.

Of course rule does not necessarily apply if you cannot handle the auction if partner bids the other major (like, you have a stiff there), but that's not the case here.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 15:30

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I learned this rule early when deciding whether to X or bid a suit: Would I have passed if partner made a penalty X?


I learned the same rule. Good principle, helped a lot with many doubling decisions.

The only place we differ is "here I certainly would": MPs + opps vul is good news, but I'd still be very worried about sitting for a 1-level double. (Not MP, or opps NV, and I wouldn't even dream of passing.) I voted 3C with some reluctance.

Not that I expect anybody to take my opinions over Justin's :)



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Posted 2011-January-15, 15:43

Double
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 15:54

Double looks normal enough.

I would like better clubs for 3♣.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 18:20

I doubled wich was a bottom, only 500

partner had

♠x
♥KJ98x
♦Jxx
♣Qxxx
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Posted 2011-January-15, 19:03

It just has no relation to reality that we have 11 clubs, they have 9 spades 8 diamond and 7 hearts, and they play 1H X. I guess they got us by not running to their 9 card fit...unlucky, partner having 4 clubs is a freak happening, I really wouldn't worry about it.
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Posted 2011-January-16, 00:35

I don't think partner should be trying to defend 1♥ when he has four-card support and he knows the opponents have a spade fit.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-January-16, 02:44

View Postgnasher, on 2011-January-16, 00:35, said:

I don't think partner should be trying to defend 1♥ when he has four-card support and he knows the opponents have a spade fit.

Exactly.
The fit makes defending 1♥X much less attractive, and also after passing the bidding might be at 2♠, by the time it gets back to you in which case you will regret not showing your fit and values immediately.
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Posted 2011-January-16, 03:34

View Postgnasher, on 2011-January-16, 00:35, said:

I don't think partner should be trying to defend 1♥ when he has four-card support and he knows the opponents have a spade fit.


I don't see why partner should worry about them having a spade fit. If they run to spades, he can still support clubs then. It's not like they are likely to preempt us in spades after we pass for penalties.

He doesn't have a particularly good fit for clubs, and his hearts are very defensive. It seems right to pass, little does he know that we have a 7-4 club fit.
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Posted 2011-January-16, 03:42

View Posthan, on 2011-January-16, 03:34, said:

I don't see why partner should worry about them having a spade fit. If they run to spades, he can still support clubs then. It's not like they are likely to preempt us in spades after we pass for penalties.

He doesn't have a particularly good fit for clubs, and his hearts are very defensive. It seems right to pass, little does he know that we have a 7-4 club fit.


I meant that responder should bid on the first round. What would you do with the responding hand after
1♣ 1♥ pass 1♠
pass 2/3♠

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-January-16, 04:49

View Posthan, on 2011-January-16, 03:34, said:

I don't see why partner should worry about them having a spade fit. If they run to spades, he can still support clubs then. It's not like they are likely to preempt us in spades after we pass for penalties.

He doesn't have a particularly good fit for clubs, and his hearts are very defensive. It seems right to pass, little does he know that we have a 7-4 club fit.


If West had 5+♥ and 4+♠ would he not have doubled? This suggests that East has longer ♠ than West and if East is not strong enough to introduce a new suit at the 2 level (which is likely the case), they won't find their ♠ fit, if North makes a move like 2♣ or 1NT. This also suggests that East could run to 1♠ if he is scared to play 1♥X and if East is to weak to run, we might have missed game.
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Posted 2011-January-16, 05:49

There are some people who double with some 4531's over 1C, but that doesn't mean that all people do it always with 4-5.
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Posted 2011-January-17, 13:11

Even though this might sound like resulting, I would 1. dbl as opener and 2. pull with pard's hand to 2♣. Reasons:

1. I definitely want to defend 1♥ oppsite, say, Qxx KJ98x Jxxx x.

2. Responder is a bit weakish and the club fit is a certainty.
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