[jschafer]

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Can you 7NT get to 2/1 on this hand with North being dealer?

[karlson]

Maybe, but I'm not so confident.

p-1♥
2♣ drury - 2♦ waiting
3♣ natural game try - 3♦ ostensibly retry
4♥ max no help - 4n keycard
5♣ one - 5♦ Q-ask
5N yes, no kings - 6♣ anything extra in clubs?
7♣ why yes! - 7N not an unreasonable MP guess.

I'd like to think that after making a club game try north should not go to 7 with just AQJx or AQxxx, but if you told me that at another time I perpetrated the same auction with only one of those holdings, I would believe you. I think more realistic is that south does not make a grand try.

[Fluffy]

I'd be glad if I reached 6

[cherdano]

No I can't.
(The only way it would work is if opener made a slam try showing 6 hearts, goads his partner into bidding RKC, then shows all keycards and ♣K. But I would just start with a balanced slam try, i.e. 2N over drury 2♣.)

[Free]

It's very easy when not playing Drury, but drury is part of 2/1 right?

[Yogeshdg]

Think 6hearts is enough for me and that in itself is a good acheivement

JUst coz something makes doesn't mean it can be bid

[kenrexford]

Depends on what you are playing, obviously. Let's see how I would bid this with one partner...

P-1♥
2♣(Drury)-2NT(balanced slam try)
4♦(max, not primes)-4♠(RKCB)
5♦(one)...

Cannot find out from there.

Let's try a different method.

P-1♥
2♣(Drury)-2NT(balanced slam try)
4♣(picture jump)-4NT(RKCB)
5♦(one)-5♥(queen?)
6♥(yes, no club King)-grand

It seems that a picture option needs to be available in this sequence. Thus, I now think the older structure I used is inferior (partner's idea). Better after 2NT is to have 4-level picture bids, glumping shortness into perhaps 3♣ or 3♠ (extras, minimal) with relays to unwind, and 3♦/3♥/3NT for balanced unwinds. Something like that.

[BillHiggin]

For those that play fit jumps by a passed hand, how far off is the North hand from such? (I presume that balanced hand is not a plus factor ). South would certainly perk up upon hearing a 3♣ fit jump response!

[kenberg]

Honest answer: No, I can't.

But I will speculate, based on how the auction would begin with me and my clone.

Pass 1♥
2♣ 2NT
3♣


2♣ was Drury, 2NT was slam going, 3♣ unfortunately just shows the ace. But now suppose that S gets excited about developments and decides to get inventive. It could go:

Pass 1♥
2♣ 2NT
3♣ 4♣
4♥ 4NT
5♦ 5♠
?

Here 4♣ is inventive, 4♥ is natural, 4NT is 1430 5♦ is one key, 5♠ is a Q ask and, since we are now committed to 6, and interest in a grand.

Now N gives this some thought. Apparently S has the king of clubs. Why else would he bid 4♣ before embarking on the invitation to a grand? All the keys are accounted for, he is looking at the Q of hearts, partner has expressed interest, he has tricks in clubs, so...?

Maybe it works. Maybe not. It's hard to count to 13 w/o knowing of the sixth heart, but partner is encouraging a grand and those clubs look pretty useful.


Probably we end up in six, posting about how to bid seven.

[MrAce]

kenrexford, on 2011-January-22, 08:03, said:

P-1♥
2♣(Drury)-2NT(balanced slam try)
4♣(picture jump)-4NT(RKCB)
5♦(one)-5♥(queen?)
6♥(yes, no club King)-grand

It seems that a picture option needs to be available in this sequence. Thus, I now think the older structure I used is inferior (partner's idea). Better after 2NT is to have 4-level picture bids, glumping shortness into perhaps 3♣ or 3♠ (extras, minimal) with relays to unwind, and 3♦/3♥/3NT for balanced unwinds. Something like that.

I loved this. I think i will adobt it if you don't mind

[whereagles]

I might reach 6 a great deal of the time, but 7 seems hard.

[Phil]

cherdano, on 2011-January-20, 06:53, said:

No I can't.
(The only way it would work is if opener made a slam try showing 6 hearts, goads his partner into bidding RKC, then shows all keycards and ♣K. But I would just start with a balanced slam try, i.e. 2N over drury 2♣.)

Wouldn't 1♥ - 2♣ - 3♥ show 6?

[inquiry]

Free, on 2011-January-20, 06:52, said:

It's very easy when not playing Drury, but drury is part of 2/1 right?

Here is a concept... use 2♣ to show clubs and 2♦ as drury (assuming you play weak two diamonds). The reason being you are much less likely to want to bid 2♦ naturally as a passed hand, but you could easily have a hand that would have opened a weak two clubs -- if that was in your system (it will not be).

I have a chance to get to 7H, assuming I think south's hand is an ACOL 2 ♥ bid. My system allows a 2♣ bid on an 8 trick major one suiter (this seems just short of eight tricks). However, I would not upgrade this hand so I would open 1♥ and be lucky to find slam.

[Trinidad]

jschafer, on 2011-January-20, 04:44, said:

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Can you 7NT get to 2/1 on this hand with North being dealer?

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Phil:
Wouldn't 1♥ - 2♣ - 3♥ show 6?

I agree with Phil. We might bid:

Pass
     1♥
2♣: Reverse Drury
     3♥: Slam try, 6+ hearts
4♣: First or second round control, denies ♠ control, denies ♦ control (3NT would have shown a diamond control.)
     4♦: I have the controls that you are denying, I am still interested.
4♠: I do have a trick source, slam should be reasonable. Let's use kickback (0314).
     5♣: 1 or 4 (obviously 4)
5♠: Jeepers! If he has the ♣K, we have 12 sure top tricks and decent odds for a 13th. I will show that we have all keys and ask for specific kings.
     6♣: I have the ♣K, but not the ♠K, I may have the ♦K.
7NT: If he has the singleton ♣K, then they need to split 4-3 or something else good may happen. If he has ♣Kx, the need to split 4-2 or better. 7NT seems like a reasonable shot.

The key bid is for North to use kickback, which is not obvious, but not that far fetched either.

Rik

[TWO4BRIDGE]

jschafer, on 2011-January-20, 04:44, said:

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Can you 7NT get to 2/1 on this hand with North being dealer?

Opener's 2NT rebid as a slamtry can be used as "Jacoby-over-Drury" whereby Responder can show shortness with a 3-level bid and a "good" outside suit at the 4-level--in a minor for this hand ( much like KenRexford's "picture-jump" ). With neither he can just rebid the agreed Major :

p - 1H
2C!( 3 card limit raise ) - 2NT! ( Jac-Drury)
4C! ( good 5 card suit ) - 4S! ( kickback RKC )
5C! ( one ) - 5D! ( ♥ Q-ask )
5NT! ( ♥ Q but no K's ) - 6C! ( must be a specific Q-ask; grandslam try )
7C! (♣ Q and J ) - 7NT ( counting on 1s, 6h, 1d, 5c )

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Fit-Showing-Jumps are ON as a passed hand, but I rather they show 4 card support, since Opener may only have 4 cards for his 3rd or 4th seat opening.

[mike777]

perhaps this is too double dummy butmaybe:


P=2C
3C?=3H
4H=4S(RKC)
5C=5D(q ask)
6h=7h or 7nt?

2c=adjusted 4 loser hand with long major+ more
3c=passed hand max with good clubs

[xxhong]

p p 1H
2D(3 hearts, limit raise in H) 3H(slam interest, 6+ H, balanced)
4C(cuebid) 4D(last train)
4S(RKC) 4N(1 or 4)
5S(no side king, but we have all KCs) 6C(CK)
7NT