[gwnn]

MP (2C=♥+♣, 54 or better either way)

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Sorry, you have no exact agreements here. LHO is very good (ex BB winner) and RHO is kind of old but usually reliable. Partner likes bidding over 1NT.

[JLOGIC]

3D

[vianu2]

I bid 4♦ (but i am known as overbider)
Anyway is better than let opps to bid 4d or 3spades. What if LHO has an weak 6(7)-4 ♦-♠ and the opener has 5♠?

[farrnbach]

4 clubs
10 trumps min, so I'm law protected

will not bid over 4S (red against green)

[vianu2]

farrnbach, on 2011-August-09, 06:26, said:

4 clubs
10 trumps min, so I'm law protected

will not bid over 4S (red against green)

lol

[nige1]

gwnn wrote "MP (2C=♥+♣, 54 or better either way) Sorry, you have no exact agreements here. LHO is very good (ex BB winner) and RHO is kind of old but usually reliable. Partner likes bidding over 1NT."


IMO 5♣ = 10, 3♣ = 9, 3♦ = 8, 4♣ = 7, 4♦ = 6, Pass = 5. If partner is forgetful then 3♣ may be enough. That may even allow you to bid ♥ later. But, otherwise, 5♣ (cutting out 4♠) is a fair temporising move
Edited to add 4♦ and Pass.

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[gwnn]

partner is not forgetful, and besides we discussed this defence about 45 seconds before this board

[vianu2]

nige1 says:
IMO 5♣ = 10, 3♣ = 9, 3♦ = 8, 4♣ = 7. If partner is forgetful then 3♣ may be enough. That may even allow you to bid ♥ later. But, otherwise, 5♣ (cutting out 4♠) is a fair temporising move


So u decide to suicide yourself in 5♣ when 4♥ makes and u can beat 4♠ if partner has let's say k♠ and on a ♦ lead u get 2 ♠ trics? wow!!

[Free]

What would 2NT mean in this sequence?

[farrnbach]

vianu2, on 2011-August-09, 06:32, said:

lol

??
-2 in red is 500 against 420, do you really think this is a good bargain?

and ok, I should have written LAW

[gwnn]

Free: Sorry, no agreement.. I think 2N without 2D from the right is natural though.

[Phil]

If only there was a way to show a good hand with a fit for one of partner's suits.

[ggwhiz]

3♣ My pard also hates to pass 1nt.

I like my chances of getting to bid 3♥ next over 3♦. Barring something really unusual they have already blown off a spade fit and a game contract.

Not sure I want to be in ♥ even with a 5-3 fit so I'll try to get pard to pick.

[JLOGIC]

3 clubs? Wow, your partner bid red/white, he may like to bid a lot but presumably he's not an idiot. There is not much reason to get involved over 1N red/white unless you have a good hand. Even if he had basically psyched 2C with xx AJTxx xx Kxxx, we are in reasonable shape to make 4H (I realize he can't have this, add in whatever to make it more realistic).

I agree with you that they might be on for 4S, but we could easily be on for 5C or 4H. Maybe both are true...so far they've bid 2 non forcing diamonds, even if they're cold for 4S I don't see why bidding a lot would help them more than bidding 3C. I thought about blasting something to get through LHO, he's third w/r perhaps he has 6 spades or something (I don't know, the hand is just very weird) and will bid 3S if given the chance, or even just 3D and then RHO will save and bid his 4 card spade suit along the way...but if he doesn't get to hear his partner raise diamonds...

It might be a tactical hand but I can't really blast as we may just be cold for 4H and it seems silly to blast in clubs and miss it.

[mikeh]

This auction is slightly odd....we are very short in diamonds...maybe they have a 10 or 11 card fit, but, if not, partner will be short in spades.

We need to find out, if we can, whether partner has 4 or 5 hearts. Yes, our suit length discrepancy suggests 5 is more likely than 4, but that doesn't prove anything.

I'd like to be comfortable that partner won't bid 3♥ over our 3♦ unless he has 4 very good ones or 5. I'm not entirely sure I believe that, but since no other call seems to do any better, I'll punt with the 'flexible' cue bid.

I see that Justin is concerned that the opps may find spades if we go slow, and that is a risk over the cue as well as over the underbid/misbid (imo) of 3♣....presumably a double of 3♦ would show the same hand as would a bid of 3♦ over 3♣. My concern is that rho has a 4=6 pointed hand, with a stiff or void club and has an easy white v red 4♠ call over 4♥, but it hasn't happened yet and may not.

[ggwhiz]

ggwhiz, on 2011-August-09, 08:47, said:

3♣ My pard also hates to pass 1nt.

I like my chances of getting to bid 3♥ next over 3♦. Barring something really unusual they have already blown off a spade fit and a game contract.

Not sure I want to be in ♥ even with a 5-3 fit so I'll try to get pard to pick.

OK, maybe I didn't give enough consideration to the auction dying at 3♥. I don't think it will and on these colours think it's a large bid. Maybe not large enough and I should bid 4♥ next but 3♣ is not the end of this auction.

If they are going to find ♠ they will over 3♣ OR 3♦ and my pard may play the un "flexible" cue as a 3 1/2 ♥ bid that says very little about the club suit ie. ♥ QJxx(x) and ♣ Ax or some such with me owning a bunch of the spades and/or extra ♦ that the opponents are hiding (so far).

[gwnn]

Full hand and our auction hidden here (opening post was rotated to make us South):

Spoiler

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I just thought it was kind of interesting that we sort of hit both of partner's suits, but were unsure of hearts.

[vianu2]

ggwhiz, on 2011-August-09, 16:22, said:

If they are going to find ♠ they will over 3♣ OR 3♦ and my pard may play the un "flexible" cue as a 3 1/2 ♥ bid that says very little about the club suit ie. ♥ QJxx(x) and ♣ Ax or some such with me owning a bunch of the spades and/or extra ♦ that the opponents are hiding (so far).

I'm finally able to see this post with new eyes

[guido]

The bidding shows 2♦ alerted. Anything interesting?

Assuming not, I am bidding 5♣

Law comment: Double fits tend to increase the number of Total Tricks available, so I think the 5 level IS law abiding.

[vianu2]

gwnn, on 2011-August-09, 16:59, said:

Full hand and our auction hidden here (opening post was rotated to make us South):

I just thought it was kind of interesting that we sort of hit both of partner's suits, but were unsure of hearts.

Now the 5clubs bidders can try to count the downs on that funny contract
Of course the 4cl bidders would pass 4♠ and lose only 450 .
Doubt if 2d is a sane bid but anyway as long as u bid 3cl, 3d or whatever on the level 3 u cannot stop 4♠ and u dont have guns for 5
If i were S i would bid over my own 4♦ lol.
But at least the 4♦ bidder was the first person at the table who had any idea where to play the hand.

Edit: Man! if u make 3♥ with this ***** ajxxx axxx vulnerable against not!! how many do u make with a sane 2h bidding?!