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Posted 2011-October-09, 05:01
Cant blame EW If anyone is to be blamed it is N who hasnt preempted to 3♥ even at this vul with 9 card fit.
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Posted 2011-October-14, 07:14
Agree with Gnasher .. after a jump 3♦ should be natural, forcing, and looking for the best game, not necessarily the big one. Definitely something to discuss with a regular partner.
My threshold is easy - Can my hand make game opposite a hand that would pass my overcall. If not, I just overcall. There are plenty of mediocre 17-18 counts that I wouldn't think of doubling then bidding with.
bd71, on 2011-October-07, 10:00, said:
2. Would appreciate some discussion of what people feel is the best threshold to use for double-then-bid (using whatever metric you want...hcp, losers, etc.). I have seen people describe this as anywhere from 15+ to 18+. Is this just arbitrary and a matter for partner agreement? Or is there some threshold that people think is fundamentally more sound?
My threshold is easy - Can my hand make game opposite a hand that would pass my overcall. If not, I just overcall. There are plenty of mediocre 17-18 counts that I wouldn't think of doubling then bidding with.
If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it then how bad a decision could it really be?
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Posted 2011-October-14, 09:20
the_dude, on 2011-October-14, 07:14, said:
My threshold is easy - Can my hand make game opposite a hand that would pass my overcall. If not, I just overcall. There are plenty of mediocre 17-18 counts that I wouldn't think of doubling then bidding with.
That is the threshold we apply, also. And we have encountered some 9/10 counts which could not find a convenient advance to the overcall. Sometimes the opponents helped out by reopening and sometimes we languished. We haven't chosen to drop the ceiling of an overcall to allow for these occasions.
We have also noticed in team events our opponents using the double-first route lost IMPS by getting to a wrong strain.
So, it seems to be about a wash for our approach.
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-October-14, 09:25
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