[FrancesHinden]

OK, but I really hate the 2NT rebid which isn't game forcing either and also misdescribes the shape... 3D is not really weaker (in terms of playing strength) than 2NT.
Isn't partner going to pass 2NT on his putative xxx Q10xx Jxxx xx as well?

If you want to call it a game force, then rebid 3NT showing a strong hand with long diamonds.

[JLOGIC]

Def agree with the hate of 2N for the same reason. I do not find bidding 3C to be unpalatable at all personally, we do have AKx. But I just think this is a common enough hand type (and especially 1363) that partner should be aware in standard bidding we might have only 3 clubs, will preference to 3D with a doubleton often, etc. If partner insisted on clubs after 1D 1H 3C 4C 4D I would be quite happy with my hand.

[Zelandakh]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-January-17, 09:58, said:

We haven't seen it in awhile, but this is another hand for a "GGG" = Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget ( eventho he doesn't take credit for its origin. ) ....
2S!-jump over a 1H Response to show a variety of GF hands:

1D - 1H
2S! - 2NT! = ask for clarification

Out of interest, what would a 3♥ rebid by Responder be here instead of the 2NT relay? I am not sure South really cares too much here whether North has 4 spades or whatever. Is it not better to let partner know our hand is (primarily) about hearts. Or, put another way, if we cannot rebid our suit with 7 of them the 2♠ bid is practically a puppet rather than a relay.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 Zelandakh, on 2012-January-18, 03:58, said:

Out of interest, what would a 3♥ rebid by Responder be here instead of the 2NT relay? I am not sure South really cares too much here whether North has 4 spades or whatever. Is it not better to let partner know our hand is (primarily) about hearts. Or, put another way, if we cannot rebid our suit with 7 of them the 2♠ bid is practically a puppet rather than a relay.

Good point. I had not thought about it before.
1D - 1H
2S! - 3H = good 6 or 7 card ♥ suit; denies interest in ♠ or ♦ .

[phil_20686]

I dont get it, doesnt 1d-1M-3N show this hand? A hand with diamonds too good to rebid 3d?

[bigbenvic]

 phil_20686, on 2012-January-18, 08:34, said:

I dont get it, doesnt 1d-1M-3N show this hand? A hand with diamonds too good to rebid 3d?

horribly 2nt bid in my books, you have all control cards, small stiff in partners suit with a 6 card suit.

3NT isn't unreasonably and neither would 3♦ 3nt gets partner carried away with a 6 card ♥ suit and a ♦ card way too often.

I'd bid 2♣ on this hand before 2NT, I would use 3c as a splinter agreeing ♥!

I agree that 3NT is a better bid than 2NT, though a 16ish count with 6 solid ♦ is more often the 3nt hand i'm too good for 3♦.

For me it's close between 2♣ and 3nt, leaning towards the prepared club.

As to the question, I bid 3♥ same as most others, I'm too good for 4♥.