[Hanoi5]

Red vs White, Pairs:

♠Q74
♥AK6
♦432
♣JT52

2NT(20-21)-Pa-???

[gwnn]

3NT. I expect a good board because my partner plays well. I can get a beer and relax.

[Vampyr]

If I had 5-card Stayman I would trot it out. I will still be dummy and can still go to the bar.

My answer might vary, though, if I know the tendency of the room to look for a 5-card major, or how many have it available. I do not want to do something grossly anti-field, because my partner also plays 'em well.

[wyman]

3N seems normal.

[Codo]

3 Nt looks like a no brainer.

Unluckily this time partner holds AKTxx,xx, Ax,AKQx and 7 club is on and anybody else in 6 Spade. Bridge sucks.

Sometimes even 13 cards produce 13 tricks... ty Wyman.

This post has been edited by Codo: 2012-February-07, 07:53

[wyman]

Codo, on 2012-February-07, 07:17, said:

3 Nt looks like a no brainer.

Unluckily this time partner holds AKTxx,xx, Axx,AKQx and 7 club is on and anybody else in 6 Spade. Bridge sucks.

easy to make 13 tricks with 14 cards
(edit: not to mention even though i have a propensity to open off-shape 2N, I wouldn't do so with all my strength concentrated in my 2 suits as above)

[P_Marlowe]

3NT?

And this is not an interesting hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[bigbenvic]

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Codo, on 2012-February-07, 07:17, said:

3 Nt looks like a no brainer.

Unluckily this time partner holds AKTxx,xx, Ax,AKQx and 7 club is on and anybody else in 6 Spade. Bridge sucks.

Sometimes even 13 cards produce 13 tricks... ty Wyman.

I'll assume 5224. If 4234 then auction very different! 1c-1nt 3nt all pass!

That hand doesn't look like a 2nt hand to me. It's got a 2 good suits and xx & Ax in the others. Looks like a suit based hand to me, why open 2nt?
I'm happy to open that 1♠ and take the risk of it being passed in (in which case 2nt is probably being passed in too) so as to be able to investigate a better spot. Reckon I'm in 6♠ but maybe it goes -
1♠ 2nt* (10-12fit or 16+ fit)
3♣ (LST opp 10-12) 4♣ (4card ♣ support forcing to 4♠)
4nt (key card spades) 5♦ (whichever shows 1, I use 0314)
5♥ (Q♠ ask) 6♥ (Q♠+K♥)
7♣ to play!

[MrAce]

Codo, on 2012-February-07, 07:17, said:

3 Nt looks like a no brainer.

Unluckily this time partner holds AKTxx,xx, Ax,AKQx and 7 club is on and anybody else in 6 Spade. Bridge sucks.

Sometimes even 13 cards produce 13 tricks... ty Wyman.

Not saying that it is better this way or another but i am lately watching some top pairs in BBO in pdship bidding table. Ones that i watched was practicing on big hands where opener has either 2 NT or reverse hands. One thing that i found very interesting they all seemed to open all 20-21 hcp 5422 hands at 1 level. Especially Ira Chorush.

And i asked myself what would happen if it was me, since i would open 2 NT, answer was i would probably miss most of the slams they landed masterfully. Although i have to admit most of those hands were 5 minor and 4 major so reverse was pretty easy and didnt need jump shift by opener. I dont remember exactly now if they opened this with also 5M and 4m.

I have a feeling when playing with a pick up pd, people open 2 NT more often than their regular pds to avoid the possible misunderstandings in subsequent bids of a reverse auction.

[wank]

as per mrace's kibbing experience, i find opening 2nt to be massively overdone in some quarters, e.g. the forum.

it's called the slam killer for a reason. why would you want to kill your slam prospects when you've got half the deck, a 5 card suit and a 4 card suit? it's obviously not because you want to pre-empt the opps out of anything.

[Cyberyeti]

Yes partner might have AKxxx, xxx, Ax, AKQ and you might have 12 top tricks, but the hand posted if 5224 bears no resemblance to a 2N opener. Assuming 5224, my auction could be.

1♠-2♣(10+)
2N(GF not necessarily bal)-3N(min 3334)
4♣-4♥
4♠-5♣(4N would be a spade cue)
5♦-5♥
5N(anything else)-6♠(Q, already denied AK and shortage)
7♣

[whereagles]

The only way you might have a slam here is pard opened an off-shape 2NT (he has some 6322 or 5422). You can't possibly have methods to sort it out at this level, so just pass.

[Zelandakh]

AKTxx, xx, Ax, AKQx opposite Qxx, AKx, xxx, JTxx

1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
... - 1♠ = no 4+ card major, GF
1NT = relay, usually 18+
... - 2♥ = balanced
2♠ = relay
... - 3♥ = 3=3=3=4
4♣ = puppet to 4♦
... - 4♦
4NT = RKCB for spades
... - 5♣ = 1 or 4
5♦ = ♠Q?
... - 5♥ = yes, and ♥K
7♣

Choosing the 4♣ route is not without risk (xxx/QJx/KQJ/Jxxx) but the alternative of relaying is unattractive with AK in the first 2 relay suits. I join the ranks of those criticising the 2NT opening and if partner responded 1♦ would rebid 2♠ (natural Strong 2) rather than 2NT.

[Phil]

There are obvious reasons to open offshape 1N's.

These same reasons do not apply to a 2N opening.

[JLOGIC]

lol, I like how someone posted the most obvious 2N-3N ever, and it went into partner opening 2N with AKTxx xx Ax AKQx...I guess absurdity should be met with absurdity.

[AyunuS]

You'd just have to bid 3NT. If you want a slam, you'd have to hope your partner made a different opening. 1NT is nice in that it can preempt the opponents from being able to bid a lot of things they could probably make. But with that hand that opened 2NT, it can probably easily outbid whatever the opponents would be willing to bid, and you're more likely to find a slam with a level 1 opening, which is a big gain, but there's no real big loss.