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Weak longer clubs across from 2N opener ...and interference

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Posted 2012-February-09, 16:23



Teams. Standard 2/1, no special gadgets available.

What is your bid?

Would 4♣ be forcing?
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Posted 2012-February-09, 17:03

I would x here.


double is card showing, does not promise a 4 card major.

New suit would be forcing


3nt tends to have a stopper


x and 3nt here tends to be the same bid, you just pick the one that makes the most sense.
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Posted 2012-February-09, 17:08

Yes 4♣ is forcing. Certainly not the call I would make.

I think standard would be.
Pass = Forcing
DBL = Neg
Suit = Natural and Forcing
3NT = To Play (w/wo stopper on agreements)

In my partnership 3NT = no stop
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Posted 2012-February-09, 18:38

View Postjmcw, on 2012-February-09, 17:08, said:

I think standard would be.
Pass = Forcing


What do you do with a hand that would have passed 2NT?
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Posted 2012-February-09, 18:45

I play negative doubles, I would pass & hope partner can reopen with X so I can pass again.
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Posted 2012-February-09, 18:53

View PostVampyr, on 2012-February-09, 18:38, said:

What do you do with a hand that would have passed 2NT?


It's the risk you take.

Obviously there will be hands like that when just passing out 3♦ is best.
If mine is a sub-par agreement, it's better than none.

How do you handle it?
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Posted 2012-February-09, 18:58

View PostCSGibson, on 2012-February-09, 18:45, said:

I play negative doubles, I would pass & hope partner can reopen with X so I can pass again.


Same, I expect the overcaller to be a bit shapey say eg 6-4, but 500 (surely we can get at least that) rates to be a good score.
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Posted 2012-February-09, 19:25

I would double.
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Posted 2012-February-09, 20:00

Interesting replies.

Double of 3♦ is negative for me, and my hand looks like anything except a take-out for ♦ hand. So double is not an option for me.

And this guy is bidding 3♦ red vs white over a 2NT opening .... unless it is christmass and overcaller is Santa Claus, i expect him to have tons of tricks and/or shape.

To be honest i dont know which action is correct, but at the table i would probably just bid 3NT and hope we make it and if we can not each under trick is -50. If we are doubled i will run to 4♣. I am targeting to get over with this annoying board with least damage possible and being non vulnerable i believe i am doing the right thing. I think starting DBL is asking for trouble.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 07:25

How do you guys (with serious agreements) play the sequence

2N (3D) X (P)
3H (P) 4C

I was kind of thinking this seems weak, but then we don't know that opener's gonna bid hearts and

2N (3D) X (P)
3S (P) 4C

sure sounds like responder is 4-5/6 or something.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 07:32

View Postwyman, on 2012-February-10, 07:25, said:

How do you guys (with serious agreements) play the sequence

2N (3D) X (P)
3H (P) 4C

I was kind of thinking this seems weak, but then we don't know that opener's gonna bid hearts and

2N (3D) X (P)
3S (P) 4C

sure sounds like responder is 4-5/6 or something.


I'd play the double as game-forcing, so in both sequences 4♣ is natural and forcing, presumably with four of the other major.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-February-10, 07:37

In the OP, I wouldn't play pass as forcing, and I'd play double by either hand as takeout. I don't want to defend 3♦ undoubled, and I'm not that keen to defend it doubled opposite Ax. I do want to play in game, so I bid 3NT. Partner is likely to have a diamond stop, especially after the overcall - if RHO had solid diamonds, he might well have passed 2NT, hoping to be on lead against 3NT.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-February-10, 07:52

I'll just bid 3NT and KISS.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 08:32

Needs agreement I think. In absence of those I think whereagles' approach is practical.

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