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The first one I agree is more obvious, it shows a game force with clubs. The player holding the weak hand passed, because he was guessing that what partner might call a game force with clubs, given the competitive nature of the auction, might not be totally game forcing. You have UI from the second auction that partner is in fact seriously strong.
The second one was the auction as it happened at our table; I had the strong hand.
I don't agree with this: "Clubs and a major doesn't make sense because partner would bid his major over the double with that." because the hand opposite was (given the cramped nature of the auction) deemed to be a slam forcing hand. You might think that pass-then-5♥ should be forcing with clubs & hearts, but I didn't want to try that out at the table, when there are two alternative meanings (either a very strong heart single-suiter, or a strong but not forcing club/heart 2-suiter).
I agree that (i) pass-then-4M should show a 2-suiter (that's actually written in our system file, although I'm not certain South has read & agreed that bit), and (ii) a cue bid shows the majors. For the immediate 4NT I agree with those posters who think it should be natural, although likely based on clubs. OK, you know that partner doesn't have that hand because of your diamond length, but that doesn't change what it should mean.
So I thought that pass-then-4NT must be a 2-suiter, clubs and a major. My partner wasn't totally certain, and thought it might be a good 5C bid for the reasons JLOGIC describes.
I think now I should have bid 5NT over 4D, which must be a two-suiter. I was hoping to think of some way of distinguishing between clubs & hearts and clubs & spades, but I can't see anything that is obvious/intuitive, and I doubt we're going to have this problem again in the next 10000 boards.
FWIW partner has AK AKQ9x x AKQ9x, raises your 5C bid to 6C and scores +1370.
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Posted 2012-March-08, 05:08
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Posted 2012-March-08, 05:48
FrancesHinden, on 2012-March-08, 05:08, said:
FWIW partner has AK AKQ9x x AKQ9x, raises your 5C bid to 6C and scores +1370.
The table I was watching failed to get to game on this hand after they floated 4C. :S
(Its a hand from the camrose for those who didnt know)
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