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Follow up to 2/1 1NT response when 4=7=1=2 and 18HCP

#1 User is offline   SimonFa 

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Posted 2012-April-08, 03:32

This came up in a GIB MP tourney, W v R. GIB lied but that's not the point, what do you bid with the following:

AKQ6
AKT732
3
QT

(P) 1H (P) 1NT*
(P) ?

* Alerted as: 3- H, 3-S, 6+ HCP, 12- total points, forcing for 1 round

I reasoned that I wanted to get across my strength and would be reasonably happy in a 4 3 spade fit if necessary, so bid what I took to be a forcing 2S. Also, Marty Bergen says to bid 6-4-6 so my plan was to then bid H over partner's expected minor or NT response.

OK, not elegant and the plan was thrown off when managed to find a 4th spade, presumably on the floor or among his clubs and leapt to 4S with JT92, Q84, AKT5, J3.

So, assuming partner is being truthful with his 3S, what do you suggest?

For interest, what you bid with the North hand playing 2/1? I like 2D but realise that it is 1pt light for some. As I see it the Spades aren't great but 1S isn't a bad bid either. The worst bid has to be 1NT in this situation if it denies 4S.

Thanks in advance,

Simon

PS I'm assuming playing 2/1 GIBerish makes this more A/I than B/N

EDIT Before anyone spots in the typo is in the title not the hand.
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Posted 2012-April-08, 04:08

View PostSimonFa, on 2012-April-08, 03:32, said:

I reasoned that I wanted to get across my strength and would be reasonably happy in a 4 3 spade fit if necessary, so bid what I took to be a forcing 2S.

Yes, this is the correct bid.

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OK, not elegant and the plan was thrown off when managed to find a 4th spade, presumably on the floor or among his clubs and leapt to 4S with JT92, Q84, AKT5, J3.

So, assuming partner is being truthful with his 3S, what do you suggest?

Don't understand... you mean if partner had bid 3 rather than 4, or are you asking whether to make another move given that he did bid 4?

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For interest, what you bid with the North hand playing 2/1?

Uhm, I have 6+ points, 4+ spades and no longer suit. Absolutely automatic 1 call.
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Posted 2012-April-08, 04:13

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-April-08, 04:08, said:

Yes, this is the correct bid.


Don't understand... you mean if partner had bid 3 rather than 4, or are you asking whether to make another move given that he did bid 4?


Uhm, I have 6+ points, 4+ spades and no longer suit. Absolutely automatic 1 call.


I hadn't expected a 3 bid so hadn't thought that through. On reflection I would have bid 4 and let partner correct to spades.

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Posted 2012-April-08, 04:40

Oh now I get it, your question was "assuming partner really has only 3 spades and bid 4 anyway". Uhm... pass I guess.
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Posted 2012-April-10, 08:01

Hi,

it is not uncommon to include a 4333 shape in the 1NT response,
since the 44 spade fit does not get lost, if partner is strong enough.
Hence the alert is faulty, not the bid itself.

Selling the responding hand as inv. raise with 3 card heart support
does not seem to be a bad idea.
You may also discover, if partner has fiting diamond length, in which
case you can jump to 4H.

Assuming, 1NT denied spade 100%, the 3S bid should show the heart limit
raise and fitting spade values, basically a slam probe.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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