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(what) do you open? 6-4 majors but ugh

#1 User is offline   Antrax 

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Posted 2012-June-13, 22:18

MP, favourable. Pass to you, holding ♠Q752 ♥A96532 ♦K ♣JT. Your bid?
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Posted 2012-June-13, 22:24

1♥
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Posted 2012-June-13, 22:30

1h if not play roth stone.
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Posted 2012-June-13, 23:30

Pass.
Second seat we play strong discipline on QTs for 1 bids. 2nd seat our weak 2's are disciplied too. Happy to back into a major later. Would open this 2♥ in 3rd. Stiff K is a negative.
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Posted 2012-June-13, 23:48

I'd bid 1H but Pass is hardly unreasonable. Depends how sound partner expects you to be/what partner is planning to force to game with. 3rd in a weak pre-empt in hearts is obviously marked.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 00:41

Pass, my partner expects more 2nd seat.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 00:43

Pass, even with 10 major cards. The hand has 10 HCP of which 4 can't be counted at full value. Besides that you have only 1 QT, this isn't an opener.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 00:59

Easy pass.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 01:25

Definitely 1H. You have 6-4 and you are favourable. If partner has no fit, we will probably be going down in game (just because you open sometimes on 10 points, partner does not need a strong NT to force to game). Luckily enough, when you have 6-4 partner will usually have a fit.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 02:10

Definitely pass.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 02:35

This is just rule of 20 and I have too much in my short suits. Only six working points.

If I am desperate, 2♥. Otherwise pass.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 03:29

At fav. my weak twos are weak, so I will lower the limit for my 1 Heart opening too.

So this hand is borderline and pass and 1 ♥ are both possible.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 03:31

Pass
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Posted 2012-June-14, 03:37

Definitely pass also.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 03:55

the main advantage of favorable is that you can make preemtive bids
with a ton more safety than at other colors (and back into auctions).
We do not really have a preemtive bid and if we open we risk getting
too high (vul opps dont always have the goods). If we own the hand
there is plenty of time to show our hand during the bidding (including
some safe backing in after say the opps start with 2s 3c 3d because
of the colors).

We dont really want to open the bidding and give p the impression we
really have something and p x expecting something from us we cannot
deliver.

pass
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Posted 2012-June-14, 06:24

I strongly disagree with pre-empting with a 6-4 holding in the majors. I’ve just seen it too often that when you pre-empt in the long major, game gets missed in the short major. Even using the Rule-of-20, 4 of your HCP are meaningless, effectively reducing the hand to 16.

In second seat this is definitely a Pass.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 13:41

Slightly prefer pass to 1♥. I would never consider 2♥ except in third. The hand is all wrong for it even apart from the four card spade suit.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 15:34

Pass most strongly because it's 2nd seat. The one that you are most likely to lead into the jaws of death is partner and I'm never shut out of any future auction.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 15:47

Pass, and I would consider 1♥ but not seriously consider 2♥
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Posted 2012-June-14, 23:07

Okay, thanks. I thought it was close between 1♥ and pass, I passed and the hand booklet we got has me opening 1♥ with no comment.
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