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Reverse followups

Poll: Reverse followups (35 member(s) have cast votes)

1D - 1S - 2H - 2S - 3H

  1. Forcing (21 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

  2. Non Forcing (14 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

1D - 1S - 2H - 2S - 3H - 3S

  1. Forcing (17 votes [48.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.57%

  2. Non Forcing (18 votes [51.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.43%

1D - 1S - 2H - 2S - 3H - 4D

  1. Forcing (18 votes [51.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.43%

  2. Non Forcing (17 votes [48.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.57%

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#21 User is offline   lalldonn 

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Posted 2012-December-19, 17:44

View PostPhil, on 2012-December-19, 09:49, said:

The idea is to use an intermediate call by opener after responder's 2M to signal a minimum.

For instance, after

1 - 1
2 - 2

use 2N to say, "I have a minimum reverse".

I don't know anyone who plays that but it's probably a decent idea, although not being able to stop in 2NT could be pretty bad since you haven't found a fit yet. You might as well just play transfers instead if you are going to play that though. But I mean if you are really going for the optimal system, every reverse auction should probably be different since they all have different suits shown and available below other suits.
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Posted 2012-December-19, 18:18

View Postlalldonn, on 2012-December-19, 17:44, said:

although not being able to stop in 2NT could be pretty bad since you haven't found a fit yet.


You don't play a reverse a force through 3 of our minor?
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Posted 2012-December-19, 18:36

No for opener's third bid after responder rebids his suit I play 2NT and three of his minor not forcing, as well as raising partner's major to three. I thought those three bids in particular were standard and there was only question about opener rebidding the second suit and bidding the fourth suit?
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Posted 2012-December-24, 15:10

I'm a bit late to this thread, but...

As (lall)donn says if you are trying to write an optimal system, every reverse auction should be slightly different because the order of the suits changes.

I wouldn't like to say what is 'standard', but what I've discussed and agreed with my regular partners, is that after

1D - 1S - 2H - 2S (forcing but not promising a rebid)

2NT - natural NF
3C - fourth suit FG
3D - NF, 6 cards
3H - nat 5-6 FG
3S - NF
3NT - suggests playing there (typically 1543 extra values but not enormous extras which would bid 3C)
4C - 3541 extra values

We play 3H as FG simply because you are otherwise stuck on huge hands that want to explore the best game/slam. With a min 5-6 you have to rebid 3D.

[auctions after a 1C opening are a little different for us because of inferences after the transfer response, and opener's other forcing alternatives]

p.s. having agreed to play 3H as FG, that makes my answers to the second and third poll questions more or less self-defined
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Posted 2012-December-24, 15:37

I disagree quite strongly with one point of Mikeh's (overall excellent) primer: rebidding your 6-card minor after a reverse should be non-forcing. In fact, I am confident this is standard and I am quite surprised Mike thinks otherwise.
This means that with a powerhouse 4=6, you have to make an ugly 4th suit forcing bid. But that seems better than the alternative: not being able to reverse with 4=6 below game force, which means you might miss your heart fit.
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