[jillybean]

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What does your partners 3♣ bid mean here and what now?

[Vampyr]

3♣ shows a good hand. As for "what now", I should thank whatever I believe to be holy that RHO doubled.

[aguahombre]

I really like the form of the question: "What does your partner's 3C mean here..", rather than "What does 3C mean here?"

My partner's 3C bid would be a moose with only 3 spades, might have sixth heart. I choose to show the best (only) part of my hand with 3♥. 3♥ at this point should not, IMO, suggest a prepared invitational heart raise under these circumstances.

[quiddity]

I suspect a strong hand with long hearts. I would bid 3H immediately.
Would partner's 3D (instead of 3C) have been a strong natural jump shift?

[jillybean]

The bidding continued..

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Partner's hand AQ96,K9843,AJT7,void a costly mistake by a top pair. 4♠ made at the other table, 4♥-1

Peter Gill said:

This sort of muddled bidding - where people think that the cue bid by opener shows support - is prevalent in parts of New Zealand and Australia - and is wrong

I've checked the understanding with my partner, it was a valuable reminder.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass over X, gives partner the chance to clarify, pass
would also indicate a half stopper.

3H should show a fit, nevertheless 3C did not promise
4 spades, and the 44 fit should be better, that the 53
fit.

For that matter, 4C instead of 3C is way better.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[aguahombre]

Obvious 4C by opener. Still, what 3C would have meant..should have meant...is a valid question for YOUR partnership. Nevertheless, opener knew what his bid meant and should ensure that the contract is corrected to spades.

[Codo]

To me 3 ♣ denies a spade fit. I have 2 ♠ 3 ♠ 4 ♣ and 4♠ as raises avaiable, do I really need another one?
I would play 3 ♣ as a GF without a clear fit and asking for a stopper.... and I had passed to show support in clubs but no full stopper.

[lycier]

I think 3♣ is a cuebid with a solid ♥ suit,its goal is to ask parner to bid 3nt if partner have a stopper in ♣.

[lycier]

This is an application example on the western cuebid.

[kenberg]

I suppose North's thinking was cue clubs, then bid 4♠. That should work, especially if bidding 4♣ immediately instead of 3♣ would have been a stiff and four spades. Surely 4♣ would mean that. South, who could have more but doesn't, then passes.

It would be interesting to know what inspired North to stray from this fine plan.

In general, I would expect the 3♣ to deny four spades as has been said. But 3♣ followed by 4♠ would cause me to rethink, and expect a stron hand with four spades. A stiff club or a void, and if I think about it, I guess a void. What he has.

All of which leads to an explanation.

The 3♣ did not promise spades. The 3♥ made it appear that hearts were trump. North now figured 3♠ would not be spades, it would be a cue. Rather than confuse the issue, he raised to 4♥.
I don't know if that is the explanation, but it's the best I can come up with.

I imagine that they discussed this.

[Vampyr]

From 2012-December-30, 19:04:

It would be interesting to know what inspired North to stray from this fine plan.

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The 3♥ made it appear that hearts were trump.

Yes. I think that South's 3♥ bid, when he could have passed and learnt something more about partner's intentions, promised three card support. North may well have thought that hearts was a safer contract.

[jillybean]

Sounds like an unusual agreement. After the 1S bid I would only expect 2 card heart support.

Codo, on 2012-December-30, 18:37, said:

To me 3 ♣ denies a spade fit. I have 2 ♠ 3 ♠ 4 ♣ and 4♠ as raises avaiable, do I really need another one?
I would play 3 ♣ as a GF without a clear fit and asking for a stopper.... and I had passed to show support in clubs but no full stopper.

Hi.. 4♣ as a splinter in support of spades?
What do you bid with a big hand and spades? 3♣ followed by 3♠?

[jillybean]

duplicate

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2012-December-30, 15:47, said:

The bidding continued..

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Partner's hand AQ96,K9843,AJT7,void a costly mistake by a top pair. 4♠ made at the other table, 4♥-1



I've checked the understanding with my partner, it was a valuable reminder.

in what world not 4c?

yet another example of cuebid confusing see Kanter

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2012-December-30, 23:37, said:

Sounds like an unusual agreement. After the 1S bid I would only expect 2 card heart support.



Hi.. 4♣ as a splinter in support of spades?
What do you bid with a big hand and spades? 3♣ followed by 3♠?

4S

If you correct the answer to the 3C inquiry to 3S, this sounds more like
choice of games.
Temporazing with a 3C bid, bidding game later has to be stronger.

For that matter, making the splinter bid / bidding game oppossite a hand,
that has in the bidding only shown 6+HCP and 4 cards in the suit, already
showes a very strong hand - worth 19+HCP.
If the hand is stronger, why did you not open with 2C?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MrAce]

lycier, on 2012-December-30, 18:43, said:

I think 3♣ is a cuebid with a solid ♥ suit,its goal is to ask parner to bid 3nt if partner have a stopper in ♣.

You and your pd seem to have different opinion about what a solid suit mean. Did you even look at your hand before you reply ?

Anyway, 3♣ is gf, whether it may have spade support or not depends on your style, but it definetely does not promise a spade fit regardless (unless you have very specific custom methods). Since we are forced to game, i will bid 3♥ now. I think i have very important values in this suit vs a pd who made gf without AQ of his longest suit, and i want to inform my pd about this now, while i can. In fact, everything i got is in ♥ suit.

[Codo]

jillybean, on 2012-December-30, 23:37, said:

Sounds like an unusual agreement. After the 1S bid I would only expect 2 card heart support.



Hi.. 4♣ as a splinter in support of spades?
What do you bid with a big hand and spades? 3♣ followed by 3♠?

IF I have a hand which I did not want to open 2 ♣ and in which 4♣ is not avaiable and 4♠ not enough, I will invite something, but I cannot remember to have had a hand where I need to bid 3 ♣ now with a real spade fit...

[Fluffy]

non-jump cuebid by opener below 3NT: game forcing without support.

[Fluffy]

Codo, on 2012-December-31, 08:28, said:

IF I have a hand which I did not want to open 2 ♣ and in which 4♣ is not avaiable and 4♠ not enough, I will invite something, but I cannot remember to have had a hand where I need to bid 3 ♣ now with a real spade fit...

not one wihtout a short to splinter in surelly

with support you have 3♠, 4♣, 4♦ and 4♠ you don't need a 5th, however you need something for heart powerhouses.