[Cyberyeti]

the hog, on 2013-October-30, 21:48, said:

I would accept 1S ONLY if playing a LOB system. I could just as easily ask you, "How on earth is partner supposed to know not to make a 2/1 on what he considers min gf values?"
Arend, I consider your answer in the 2 handed approach rather than the 4 handed. You seem to forget that a 3S bid may well make life difficult for the opponents,

♥KQ, ♣KJ is plenty for game and nowhere near a 2/1.

I would open 1♠ without really thinking playing anything except 2/1. I'd probably open it 1♠ playing 2/1 but at least I'd think first. The other danger is that you open 3♠ and play there, partner has x, Jxxx, QJ109x, K10x and nobody's making anything above 2♠.

[rhm]

gnasher, on 2013-October-31, 02:13, said:

I'd open 4♠, but I don't mind 1♠. I dislike 3♠, because it understates both the defensive values and the offensive strength.

If you turned ♠10 into ♠2 I'd have no idea what to do.

I vote for 4♠ but accept 1♠. I dislike any other action, with Pass being worst in my opinion.
The ♠10, though certainly nice as insurance against bad weather would not change my mind.
In those days where many claim "they open all elevens" and a majority all twelves, how bad can it be to open such a nine count.
I do not understand this attitude. It is utterly wrong in my opinion.

Rainer Herrmann

[Jinksy]

(I've just edited to add in the system for those skipping past the first post: 5cM, weak NT, non-GF 2/1)

[NickRW]

Don't think there is a right answer to this, regardless of the exact system you're playing. Any number of spades (or even pass) could be right on the day. I'd be guided by what I thought my current partner would most like me to do with this collection. With one p that might well be 1S. With another it'd probably be 3S. With others I know they'd most likely go 4 if they picked this up.

[the hog]

"I would open 1♠ without really thinking" Well at least you are honest Cyberyeti!
Personally I cannot understand RHM or your approach in opening this 1S. To open this 1S is utterly wrong in my opinion, oh unless you like negative scores.

[mikestar13]

4♠ for me at these colors, make a small heart a stiff diamond and I'd probably pull in my horns and bid 3♠ (though I'd sill try 4♠ white vs. red). This hand doesn't feel like a one bid at all.

[akhare]

1♠ -- IMO, the void, outside Ace and the soft defensive values in clubs argue against opening this any higher.

That said, it's easy to see how others might evaluate it differently and open it at the 4-level.

[Jinksy]

For mah fellow results merchants:

---

W's double ensured a cold bottom.

[whereagles]

4S. If suit were weaker, 1S.

[hrothgar]

Jinksy, on 2013-November-01, 05:19, said:

For mah fellow results merchants:

---

W's double ensured a cold bottom.

I'd open 4♠

Personally, I think that the bottom had more to do with East'd pass than West's double...

[Cyberyeti]

the hog, on 2013-October-31, 18:16, said:

"I would open 1♠ without really thinking" Well at least you are honest Cyberyeti!
Personally I cannot understand RHM or your approach in opening this 1S. To open this 1S is utterly wrong in my opinion, oh unless you like negative scores.

What, like the -500 I avoided here

[Jinksy]

hrothgar, on 2013-November-01, 06:26, said:

I'd open 4♠

Personally, I think that the bottom had more to do with East'd pass than West's double...

The double was for penalties.

[dake50]

"W's double ensured a cold bottom." Jinksy

*** Good defense to stop the 3rd round C-ruff (or 2nd C-honor)
You play in a tough crowd!

[Fluffy]

If west doesn't double it will be east, so not a big problem.

[Jinksy]

dake50, on 2013-November-01, 09:20, said:

"W's double ensured a cold bottom." Jinksy

*** Good defense to stop the 3rd round C-ruff (or 2nd C-honor)
You play in a tough crowd!

Not exactly. I only went 2 off, but it was irrelevant, since no-one in the room found 3N.

[billw55]

Jinksy, on 2013-November-01, 09:43, said:

Not exactly. I only went 2 off, but it was irrelevant, since no-one in the room found 3N.

I wouldn't expect anyone to, at tables where 4♠ is opened.

[the hog]

Jinksy, on 2013-November-01, 09:00, said:

The double was for penalties.

The x was for penalties? Where was the hand West held when he doubled? Surely it was not the hand you posted?

[JLOGIC]

Fluffy, on 2013-November-01, 09:27, said:

If west doesn't double it will be east, so not a big problem.

I imagine a vast majority of people would not X for takeout with east but I could be wrong.

[lamford]

Jinksy, on 2013-November-01, 09:43, said:

Not exactly. I only went 2 off, but it was irrelevant, since no-one in the room found 3N.

And it would be irrelevant if anyone found 4H by East at this club, as South would unerringly find the club lead to beat it. Your poor score was caused by the failure of East-Wests to reach the cold 4NT from either side. Given that some Wests could double 4S to show a weak NT, I thought they might have managed that.

[Lurpoa]

For what it is worth:1♠ , THE BOSS-suit !
But I am only Lurpoa...

Be The ♥ with you !

Jinksy, on 2013-October-30, 11:29, said:

---

You're dealer, love all at MPs.

What minimal change would it take to shift you in favour of the closest alternative?

(Edited to add) If relevant to your decision, we were playing 5cMs, weak NT, 2/1 is non-GF.