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#1 User is offline   1eyedjack 

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Posted 2013-November-10, 07:54


MP, robot tourney, best hand South.

The par contract is 4X -1 by N/S, for 100 to E/W, who can make 3. Against the room, had we been allowed to play in 4, doubled or otherwise, it would have been a good score for N/S. Obviously defending 4 would have scored even better (for N/S).

What do all y'all think of the bidding on this one? My opinion is that it was fine up to but excluding the 4 bid, with 5 bid being the worse bid of the two.
West appears to be sacrificing at the 4 level against a partscore, which to me is a bit of a no-no. He can't be bidding it to make, because he has no more reason to expect it to make when bidding 4 as he had on the previous round of the bidding at which time he judged 3 to be sufficient. Actually, if West had chosen 4 on the previous round I would not have considered that unreasonable, despite its failure.

Apparently the route to get to 4 and then stop is for South to pass 2 and then back in with 4 when they get to 3 (and you escape undoubled for a bonus).

I don't think that South's 2 response is ludicrous, but I am happy to be corrected. Anyway, the bid is "forcing to 3". By implication, while it may be strong enough for game, it allows for the possibility of stopping short.

I don't know what North's pass of 2 means, given that we are forced to 3, and in particular how it might be distinguished from (say) 3 bid by North. However let us at least agree that North is minimum in context in every respect, and we assume that the pass is consistent with this.

South's 3 appears to be a limit bid, and non-forcing.

So, South has made a non-forcing bid, and North has (and we imagine has shown) a minimum opener.

I feel that armed with that preceding information and auction, South should be permitted to contest the partscore over 3 without being hung by North. If 3 is non-forcing then logically so must be 4, if in between these bids North has shown no encouragement. It may be that North would not have bid 5 had West passed 4. I have no way of knowing.

One of the improvements to GIB that I look forward to seeing in future releases is where GIB stops bidding one more for the road, having already fully described his hand in a non-forcing situation and is not in the pass-out seat.
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Posted 2013-November-10, 09:59

4 is terrible, 5 is beyond terrible.
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Posted 2013-November-10, 16:19

View PostRSClyde, on 2013-November-10, 09:59, said:

4 is terrible, 5 is beyond terrible.

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