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Posted 2013-December-26, 18:29

Play 3NT Team scoring.



East's 2 bid shows 5-5 in the "extreme" suits (hearts and clubs).

West plays the Q to East's Ace. East switches to K.

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Posted 2013-December-26, 18:34

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... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-December-26, 18:58

View Postgnasher, on 2013-December-26, 18:34, said:

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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:03

View Postnige1, on 2013-December-26, 18:58, said:

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No


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"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:15

View Postnige1, on 2013-December-26, 18:58, said:

Maybe there is more to this problem :(


B-)
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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:22

I'd rather play 3 doubled.

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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:38

View PostCSGibson, on 2013-December-26, 19:22, said:

I'd rather play 3 doubled.
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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:41

View Postnige1, on 2013-December-26, 19:38, said:

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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:45

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"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2013-December-26, 19:49

View PostCSGibson, on 2013-December-26, 19:41, said:

You're reply cross-posted with my edit
No problem: I'm afraid I'm regularly guilty of posting in haste and embellishing at leisure :)
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Posted 2013-December-26, 20:02

How about this ?
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2013-December-26, 20:24

View PostMrAce, on 2013-December-26, 20:02, said:

How about this ?
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Timo, that's unsporting. I, and other, better players gave LHO a chance to make a spectacular defensive duck and impress everyone - you have cold heartedly taken that away….
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Posted 2013-December-26, 20:46

View PostMrAce, on 2013-December-26, 20:02, said:

How about this ?
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Beautiful
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Posted 2013-December-27, 03:16

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Posted 2013-December-27, 03:19

View Postnige1, on 2013-December-26, 20:46, said:

Beautiful
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I don't think it is makeable if RHO has more than 1 dia.
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Posted 2013-December-27, 18:39

View PostMrAce, on 2013-December-27, 03:19, said:

I don't think it is makeable if RHO has more than 1 dia.
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Posted 2013-December-28, 00:34

View PostMrAce, on 2013-December-26, 20:02, said:

How about this ?
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Maybe I'm being thick, but I don't think this works. East discards clubs on the early spades, then when we duck a club to him West throws a spade. Now East plays hearts to lock us in hand. The defence makes at least three hearts, a club and a diamond.

Another thing that I don't think works is trying to hold a conversation with all the text hidden.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-December-28, 01:48

View Postgnasher, on 2013-December-28, 00:34, said:

Maybe I'm being thick, but I don't think this works. East discards clubs on the early spades, then when we duck a club to him West throws a spade. Now East plays hearts to lock us in hand. The defence makes at least three hearts, a club and a diamond.

Another thing that I don't think works is trying to hold a conversation with all the text hidden.



If east discards clubs on early spades. you do not duck club, you then simply cash all spade honors and throw in E in clubs after cashing remaining club honor, he will give you a heart for your 9th trick Posted Image I thought that would be easy thats why i expected E to discard hearts.

And i also agree that this spoiler thing started to get on my nerves. But nothing much i can do since OP requested it specifically.
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2013-December-28, 03:58

View PostCSGibson, on 2013-December-26, 19:22, said:

I'd rather play 3 doubled.


Yes, I was having trouble coming up with a plausible auction. You can pretend it is BAM if you want. :D


Great analysis here, and very attractive solution by Mr Ace, although just to muddy the waters a tad, you were not quite correct when you said this:

View PostMrAce, on 2013-December-27, 03:19, said:

I don't think it is makeable if RHO has more than 1 dia.


although nige1 did well to notice that a cunning LHO can defeat you on most layouts. It's a very cool deal. :)

Feel free to stop using Spoiler tags btw. I find it beneficial for the first 2 or three posts when I accidentally scroll down and see the answer but after that don't worry too much. I'll post the full hand tomorrow some time.
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Posted 2013-December-28, 13:08

Unblock D6 on first round playing RHO for A2. Then LHO can't avoid throw in?
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