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Pass is my choice since there is only one trick in the west hand,and the probability of defeating 3♥ contract is not optimistic.
Would you double?
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Posted 2014-May-11, 04:24
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Posted 2014-May-11, 09:22
1. I bid 2♦ instead of 1NT
2. After bidding 1NT I compete with 2♠ not 3♦. If I am going to play in a 4-3 I'd rather do so at the 2 level in spades and take the heart tap in the hand with 3 trumps. Also it is more tempting for the opponents to compete with 3♥ over 2♠ than over 3♦
3. After bidding 1NT and 3♦ I double 3♥. This is MP, they are vul and on a 8 card fit, we probably have the majority of the HCP. +200 will be a top. I ran a DealMaster simulation and 3♥ is going down about 70% of the time. I'll trade 7 tops for 3 bottoms any day.
2. After bidding 1NT I compete with 2♠ not 3♦. If I am going to play in a 4-3 I'd rather do so at the 2 level in spades and take the heart tap in the hand with 3 trumps. Also it is more tempting for the opponents to compete with 3♥ over 2♠ than over 3♦
3. After bidding 1NT and 3♦ I double 3♥. This is MP, they are vul and on a 8 card fit, we probably have the majority of the HCP. +200 will be a top. I ran a DealMaster simulation and 3♥ is going down about 70% of the time. I'll trade 7 tops for 3 bottoms any day.
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Posted 2014-May-11, 09:52
lrussell, on 2014-May-11, 09:22, said:
1. I bid 2♦ instead of 1NT
2. After bidding 1NT I compete with 2♠ not 3♦. If I am going to play in a 4-3 I'd rather do so at the 2 level in spades and take the heart tap in the hand with 3 trumps. Also it is more tempting for the opponents to compete with 3♥ over 2♠ than over 3♦
3. After bidding 1NT and 3♦ I double 3♥. This is MP, they are vul and on a 8 card fit, we probably have the majority of the HCP. +200 will be a top. I ran a DealMaster simulation and 3♥ is going down about 70% of the time. I'll trade 7 tops for 3 bottoms any day.
2. After bidding 1NT I compete with 2♠ not 3♦. If I am going to play in a 4-3 I'd rather do so at the 2 level in spades and take the heart tap in the hand with 3 trumps. Also it is more tempting for the opponents to compete with 3♥ over 2♠ than over 3♦
3. After bidding 1NT and 3♦ I double 3♥. This is MP, they are vul and on a 8 card fit, we probably have the majority of the HCP. +200 will be a top. I ran a DealMaster simulation and 3♥ is going down about 70% of the time. I'll trade 7 tops for 3 bottoms any day.
IMO, you are thinking about the Moysian from the wrong perspective here. Ruffing a heart in the short hand is not the issue. Partner's club shortness + the fact that you cannot pull trumps until they have already given you that heart ruff should be the concerns.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2014-May-11, 10:03
Of course I have now seen the hands and seen the discussion. Still, I figured when I started reading that I would not double. I figure that after I have bid 1NT and gone on to 3♦ I have pretty much said all that I have to say. If I now double, I need to have some sort of unpleasant surprise for them What that might be on this auction I am not sure, but the hand that I have isn't it. Partner may have more than he has shown (rather than less than he has shown) or partner might have a hand that he thinks has some defensive strength that is not apparent to me, but I have nothing that I have not shown, I can see that their trump suit is splitting, I don't have a stiff that could lead to a ruff, I just see this as a hand where if we can beat this, partner can double. My hand will not be a disappointment to him, but he will not find it a great and unexpected defensive bonanza either. As it is, if I pass he will probably bid 4♦ and force them into 4♥. Oh well.
Bridge always requires a sense of humor. In this, the opponents can make 4♥. If we don't get our club ruff, they can make 6♥. They stop in 2♥. We refuse to let them stop there and force them to 3♥. Still they hold back. We will show them. If they refuse to bid their cold game, we will double them in 3♥. That, you wimps. Relax, have a glass of wine. I really am pretty sure that I would not have doubled but I have seen all of the hands now.
A fantasy: They reach 4♥ you lead a small club. Declarer calls for the Ace from dummy, it's ruffed, pard underleads his diamond back to you, you play the ♣Q, covered and ruffed and you await your setting trick in clubs. Could be, but don't hold your breath.
Bridge always requires a sense of humor. In this, the opponents can make 4♥. If we don't get our club ruff, they can make 6♥. They stop in 2♥. We refuse to let them stop there and force them to 3♥. Still they hold back. We will show them. If they refuse to bid their cold game, we will double them in 3♥. That, you wimps. Relax, have a glass of wine. I really am pretty sure that I would not have doubled but I have seen all of the hands now.
A fantasy: They reach 4♥ you lead a small club. Declarer calls for the Ace from dummy, it's ruffed, pard underleads his diamond back to you, you play the ♣Q, covered and ruffed and you await your setting trick in clubs. Could be, but don't hold your breath.
Ken