[el mister]

Playing 2/1, we have the following inv minor auction:

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Do we have a decision to make here, ie there is an element of consultation to pard's double? Or is he laying down the law?
What action do you recommend?

[ahydra]

I think this is fine to pass. Maybe if we were much weaker and shapelier it would be correct to pull because it hardly sounds like partner can have enough defence (given absence of XX or another call on the previous round), but here we have got full value for what we promised and a side defensive card.

ahydra

[aguahombre]

Partner did not invite your further participation in this auction.

[helene_t]

We preempted -> partner's double is penalty.

[billw55]

The time to countermand partner's decision is when we hold something unexpected. No such thing here, clear pass.

[whereagles]

Would certainly leave it if pard had redoubled, showing extras. As it is, I'm weary he has ye olde 12-14 balanced...


Bottom line is: leave it in if I don't know pard, pull if I trust him (in which case dbl is just a suggestion to penalize).

[helene_t]

Unless p has forgotton about inverted minors, he doesn't have a balanced 12-14. OK, AQJ7-Axxx-xxx-QJ maybe. But that's OK.

[mycroft]

1) how big is 3m? 0-6, 6-9, 4-7? Makes a difference in the "what we've shown v. what we have" discussion.

2) joining the chorus, though. I promised lots of diamonds and not much outside - and no other place to play. I have lots of diamonds and more than partner deserves outside, and no other place to play. "No questions, partner"

[gszes]

Our range for 3d is quite wide and we are about middle for what p might expect
for our 3d bid. Even if p xx my hand might be so weak that pulling would be a good
idea (x xxx Kxxxxxx xx). That means that if we have an average hand for our bid
and p had xx we would leave it in. This hand qualifies as average for 3d and since p
failed to xx the x of 3s falls into the nature of cooperative and we should run to 4d.

The range of 3d preemptive is mostly 5 to about 9 but with a bit more distribution
can run as low as 3 (see example hand above) and I am sure it could be lower with more
diamonds though we might want to consider 4d and 5d with those holdings depending on
vulnerability. Unfavorable you hold x xx xxxxxxxxx x and the bidding goes 1d p it might
still be a good idea to bid 3d whereas at favorable its an easy 5d bid.

[el mister]

Thanks all - seems fairly clear. I did think about lifting it at the table - inv minor raise is 6-9 and 5+ for us, so I felt 6 very solid diamonds with v little outside might call for a retreat into 4. Passed, though, and 3♠x made as opps have a submerged 10 card club fit. So the result got me thinking.

[aguahombre]

helene_t, on 2014-October-22, 08:52, said:

Unless p has forgotton about inverted minors, he doesn't have a balanced 12-14. OK, AQJ7-Axxx-xxx-QJ maybe. But that's OK.

Yes, the nine-card club fit should be a given, from responder's standpoint. Opener will not be doubling 3S unless 4-4-3-2 with a spade stack. There is no hand with 4 Diamonds which couldn't/wouldn't bid or redouble over 3DX with extras, so he must have something like your example.

It seems, that the OP's partner didn't agree with us...perhaps until now.

[Manastorm]

I am not sure what to think, but I would assume that partner is very serious about 3♠ not making. We pre-empted, the ops are trying to find their fit and the right level, it doesnt look like a spot to make a tight double.

[aguahombre]

Manastorm, on 2014-October-22, 14:13, said:

I am not sure what to think, but I would assume that partner is very serious about 3♠ not making. We pre-empted, the ops are trying to find their fit and the right level, it doesnt look like a spot to make a tight double.

I am not sure what to think, either. But I think you should keep posting.

[ggwhiz]

el mister, on 2014-October-22, 13:06, said:

So the result got me thinking.

You might give some thought to what your 3♦ bid shows. In my partnership this one is at least a King heavy(that's what single raises are for).

Any agreement is workable but in the context of your, your partner had a serious disconnect.

And BTW, what does a single raise show playing your range?

[bdegrande]

Pass. You have better defense than partner might expect from this auction, and your diamond length won't be a surprise.

[steve2005]

Clear pass for this hand. If partner has any doubt that 3♠X is making they should pass or bid 4♦ themselves. Have to be sure of tricks cause this is likely a distributional hand.

[fourdad]

If you pull it a bad hand is your fault. If you leave it pard's fault! LEAVE IT!!