[eagles123]

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system is weak and 4

if you object to X for any reason then pls say why

now how many spades?

It's MP btw

Cheers,

Eagles

[mike777]

2s only here since many on forum like to open often and lightish.

[eagles123]

mike777, on 2015-January-21, 18:23, said:

2s only here since many on forum like to open often and lightish.

my partner isn't on the forum

[mike777]

eagles123, on 2015-January-21, 18:25, said:

my partner isn't on the forum

I assumed you opened, not your partner.

[quiddity]

What does 1♠ show in "weak and 4"?

[MrAce]

Eagles, if 1♠ was forcing (for example Cyber plays it that way) then I think you have to bid 3♠. If 1♠ shows a failure to bid forcing 2♠, then 2♠ is reasonable at MP imo.

[nige1]

eagles123, on 2015-January-21, 17:37, said:

system is weak and 4
if you object to X for any reason then pls say why
now how many spades?
It's MP btw

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IMO, It depends whether the double promises 4+ ♠s; or exactly 4 ♠s; or just a hand that is a bit stuck.

• Assuming that the double shows 4 ♠s, then you would expect opener to bid at least 2♠ if he had 4+ ♠s too. Hence, 1♠ by opener would normally show only 3♠s. Thus, wild ♠ raises seem inappropriate.
• If the double showed 4+ ♠s then 2♣ = 10, 1N = 9, Pass = 8.
• If the double showed 4 ♠s but denied 5♠ then 2♣ = 10, 2♠ = 9, Pass = 8.
• If the double was nebulous (so opener's 1♠ presumably showed 4+ ♠) then a limit raise to 3♠ = 10 seems appropriate.

[Tramticket]

I don't think North is likely to hold only three spades. Playing 4-card majors / weak NT then North will usually be unbalanced for this sequence (I suppose a strong no trump hand without a heart stop is possible).

In this case I would expect North to be at least 5-4 in diamonds/spades and you know that you have at least an eight-card spade fit.

I think that it is close between 2S and 3S - but suspect that I would tend to bid three.

[Zelandakh]

Really? I thought the most common usage of 1♠ here is precisely to show a 3 card raise and avoid having to mix that in with a 2♠ rebid!

[MrAce]

Zelandakh, on 2015-January-22, 07:59, said:

Really? I thought the most common usage of 1♠ here is precisely to show a 3 card raise and avoid having to mix that in with a 2♠ rebid!

In forum bridge perhaps you are right. It is not common at all irl bridge especially among I/A level players. Not even as common as it should be among adv+ players.

[Jinksy]

To me, without discussion, 2H looks like values and confirming a fit, so why not bid that? As well as suggesting game without forcing to the three level, it makes the opps less likely to compete when they have a decent sac on.

[PhilKing]

I think 1♠ is either 3 spades and no heart stop (eg 3253 15 count, or less if unbalanced) or a terrible hand with 4 spades.

With a sound minimum with 4 spades, partner would bid 2♠. Anyway, since there was no heart raise, I don't expect the former hand-type, but I make the obvious continuation of 2♣ regardless. If partner has a bad 3451 I expect him to retreat to 2♠.

[PhantomSac]

PhilKing, on 2015-January-22, 15:34, said:

I think 1♠ is either 3 spades and no heart stop (eg 3253 15 count, or less if unbalanced) or a terrible hand with 4 spades.

With a sound minimum with 4 spades, partner would bid 2♠. Anyway, since there was no heart raise, I don't expect the former hand-type, but I make the obvious continuation of 2♣ regardless. If partner has a bad 3451 I expect him to retreat to 2♠.

Passing seems pretty reasonable to me in these conditions (which is also how I like to play).

[MrAce]

LOL @ me

For some reason i am seeing the auction as

1m--1♥
1♠

Now everything everyone else said, started to make sense to me. Even though I saw it correct when replying to Zel.

[whereagles]

2♠ seems fair. You got a demi-invite

[PhilKing]

PhantomSac, on 2015-January-22, 18:41, said:

Passing seems pretty reasonable to me in these conditions (which is also how I like to play).

TBH I just like voting "other" as often as possible.

[eagles123]

well I bid 2s partner passed with

T432
AK7
QJ754
A

interestingly only 2 out of 6 tables got to game on this hand

thanks

Eagles

[whereagles]

Well, I wouldn't pass 2♠ on that. I'd try 3♦.

[Zelandakh]

whereagles, on 2015-January-23, 06:03, said:

Well, I wouldn't pass 2♠ on that. I'd try 3♦.

Fairly confident you would not have rebid 1♠ in the first place.

[whereagles]

Possibly, yes. But having done so, I'd carry on now.