Matchpoint pairs
West dealer / all vulnerable
Sitting South You hold:
♠ 10 8 7 3 2
♥ A 6
♦ A K 10 9 6
♣ 9
After displaying the STOP-card from the biddingbox, West opens 4♥. After West removing the STOP-card after 10 seconds, North still thinks about 10 seconds and then passes.
Your RHO, East, passes too.
Should South pass or is South still allowed to double, or make a bid of 4♠, 4NT or 5♦?
Thx
Jan
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Ethics?
#2
Posted 2015-October-12, 11:49
What would North have done with
♠876
♥QJ874
♦QJ4
♣43
He would have passed - so the UI is that he has values, but not enough to take action. It is unlikely he has values in spades as he would have passed quicker.
I think I would have to find out (if possible) if North has a reputation for taking time for making calls - some people are naturally quick and others slow.
(As a matter of course, South can do what he wants at the table, the director will make a record and then come back if requested.)
So now we have a BIT (I assume double is for takeout)
So we look at 73C and 16B1
C. Player Receives Unauthorized Information from Partner
When a player has available to him unauthorized information
from his partner, such as from a remark, question, explanation, gesture,
mannerism, undue emphasis, inflection, haste or hesitation, an
unexpected* alert or failure to alert, he must carefully avoid
taking any advantage from that unauthorized information.
B. Extraneous Information from Partner
1. (a) After a player makes available to his partner extraneous information
that may suggest a call or play, as for example by a remark, a question, a
reply to a question, an unexpected* alert or failure to alert, or by
unmistakable hesitation, unwonted speed, special emphasis, tone, gesture,
movement, or mannerism, the partner may not choose from among logical
alternatives one that could [b]demonstrably[/b1] have been suggested over another
by the extraneous information
So the LAs seem to be - Pass, X, 4♠, 5♦, 4NT
The UI suggests values so X, 4♠, 5♦, 4NT are suggested over the pass. (This is subject to discussion, some of these may turn out not to be LAs - but 73C still applies)
Note that if very few players would pass then Pass stops being an LA and any bid is acceptable.
Ergo - THOSE calls are contra indicted. South can bid 6♦, 5♠, 5♥ or some such as they definitely aren't LAs
If you feel very strongly about this your best argument to avoid a PP would say that you felt that at matchpoints pass was not a LA - good luck with that!
♠876
♥QJ874
♦QJ4
♣43
He would have passed - so the UI is that he has values, but not enough to take action. It is unlikely he has values in spades as he would have passed quicker.
I think I would have to find out (if possible) if North has a reputation for taking time for making calls - some people are naturally quick and others slow.
(As a matter of course, South can do what he wants at the table, the director will make a record and then come back if requested.)
So now we have a BIT (I assume double is for takeout)
So we look at 73C and 16B1
C. Player Receives Unauthorized Information from Partner
When a player has available to him unauthorized information
from his partner, such as from a remark, question, explanation, gesture,
mannerism, undue emphasis, inflection, haste or hesitation, an
unexpected* alert or failure to alert, he must carefully avoid
taking any advantage from that unauthorized information.
B. Extraneous Information from Partner
1. (a) After a player makes available to his partner extraneous information
that may suggest a call or play, as for example by a remark, a question, a
reply to a question, an unexpected* alert or failure to alert, or by
unmistakable hesitation, unwonted speed, special emphasis, tone, gesture,
movement, or mannerism, the partner may not choose from among logical
alternatives one that could [b]demonstrably[/b1] have been suggested over another
by the extraneous information
So the LAs seem to be - Pass, X, 4♠, 5♦, 4NT
The UI suggests values so X, 4♠, 5♦, 4NT are suggested over the pass. (This is subject to discussion, some of these may turn out not to be LAs - but 73C still applies)
Note that if very few players would pass then Pass stops being an LA and any bid is acceptable.
Ergo - THOSE calls are contra indicted. South can bid 6♦, 5♠, 5♥ or some such as they definitely aren't LAs
If you feel very strongly about this your best argument to avoid a PP would say that you felt that at matchpoints pass was not a LA - good luck with that!
No matter how well you know the laws, there is always something that you'll forget. That is why we have a book.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
#3
Posted 2015-October-13, 02:25
It is of course possible that North was thinking of bidding 5♣. This might make it less attractive for South to bid. But I think that on balance the hesitation makes it more attractive to bid (or double). So the ethical choice is to pass.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
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