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I passed since I thought it only had 12-14 points. Either the bid or the description is wrong.
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The best 12-14 total point hand ever
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Posted 2015-December-17, 06:28
GB was just responding to your "fourth suit" 
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Posted 2015-December-17, 06:35
Bbradley62, on 2015-December-17, 06:28, said:
GB was just responding to your "fourth suit"
Well that's actually OK.
♣=1st suit (named by 1♣)
♥♠=2nd, 3rd suits (named by 2♣)
♦=4th suit.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2015-December-17, 20:38
Yes I understand that, but if it can be a 19-point hand, then I wish the description wouldn't say 12-14 points.
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Posted 2015-December-17, 22:57
It's entirely possibly that things have changed since I played regularly, which was when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, but back in the day "fourth suit" meant that our side had already shown the other three, not we showed one and opps showed two...
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Posted 2015-December-18, 01:33
Yes sorry AyunuS, we both agree that the explanation is wrong and it's a bug to be fixed. Bbradley62 and I moved on to some nitpicking in the meantime, sorry for the confusion.
I know about fourth suit forcing Bradley, thanks for explaining. I just mean that it's OK to call this also "fourth suit" since it's literally the fourth suit to name. There's no good way of naming this situation. There is of course "UVU" or Unusual vs Unusual, but that applies when there has been an unusual 2NT already. Worse still, there are at least three versions of it (cheaper cue=fit, cheaper cue=cheaper non-opposing suit, cheaper cue=the suit unnamed as of yet), so just saying "UVU" if Unusual v Unusual isn't terribly informative when written as an explanation (apart from being a misnomer). I see that it's slightly confusing but what else would you call it? Apparently now it's like this (showing the verbal explanation only):
1C-(2C)-2H: strong raise (5+C etc)
1C-(2C)-2S: fourth suit (5+D etc)
Maybe call it "remaining suit"? I think we both agree that "as of yet unnamed suit" is a bit too long as an explanation and it sounds like we're sitting in court. Of course in natural play we'd say "diamonds, forcing" but that's not how GIB's explanations work usually (it doesn't say 1NT-3C=diamonds. It says "Transfer. 6+♦ etc"), the verbal part is some bridge lingo and then the symbolic part explains the distribution.
I know about fourth suit forcing Bradley, thanks for explaining. I just mean that it's OK to call this also "fourth suit" since it's literally the fourth suit to name. There's no good way of naming this situation. There is of course "UVU" or Unusual vs Unusual, but that applies when there has been an unusual 2NT already. Worse still, there are at least three versions of it (cheaper cue=fit, cheaper cue=cheaper non-opposing suit, cheaper cue=the suit unnamed as of yet), so just saying "UVU" if Unusual v Unusual isn't terribly informative when written as an explanation (apart from being a misnomer). I see that it's slightly confusing but what else would you call it? Apparently now it's like this (showing the verbal explanation only):
1C-(2C)-2H: strong raise (5+C etc)
1C-(2C)-2S: fourth suit (5+D etc)
Maybe call it "remaining suit"? I think we both agree that "as of yet unnamed suit" is a bit too long as an explanation and it sounds like we're sitting in court. Of course in natural play we'd say "diamonds, forcing" but that's not how GIB's explanations work usually (it doesn't say 1NT-3C=diamonds. It says "Transfer. 6+♦ etc"), the verbal part is some bridge lingo and then the symbolic part explains the distribution.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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Posted 2015-December-18, 19:38
The description is fine, clearly the bid is incorrect. There must be a way for opener to attempt to sign off in 3D. It appears that the programmers may not have provided GIB with sensible continuations with a strong hand in support of the suit shown by responder. Seems to me opener should be continuing with a major suit cuebid. It would be an interesting topic to discuss the meanings of both 3H and 3S.
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