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#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2016-May-15, 11:24



I put it on BW also but think its an interesting decision so interested in views here

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Posted 2016-May-15, 13:15

Not I. Presumably P's 4♦ would have been forcing, so given that he neither solicited cues nor blasted slam himself, and I have about the worst holding possible in the opps' suit, it feels too risky to push on.
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Posted 2016-May-15, 13:54

I think that GIB would pop it up to 6. And I tend to agree. You are about 3 tricks better than you might have been.
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Posted 2016-May-16, 01:46

If it weren't for that pesky 4♣ bid and my dodgy holding in the suit,I would bid 6♦ instantly.
Of course partner 'could' have a top club but I've long since learned through bitter experience,not to
put cards in partner's hand. As there is a real danger of two quick club losers,I would settle for game and pass....
albeit reluctantly.If 12 tricks were made I would hold up my hands and admit I was spooked by opponents bid but that
is part and parcel of the game. You win some,you lose some.I've also found 'Lady'Luck to be more of a witch-bitch
than a goddess :(
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Posted 2016-May-16, 07:04

6♦
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Posted 2016-May-16, 07:07

View Postalok c, on 2016-May-16, 07:04, said:

6♦

On your head be it :)
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Posted 2016-May-16, 07:18

I am really torn here, I loathe to bid slams with 2 top losers in their suit, but thinking about partner's range of hands then assuming West has 8 clubs (which admittedly isn't guaranteed) then surely partner is more likely to be short than RHO, not to mention RHO could also be void in clubs. However, partner may have bid 4D to test the waters. I don't think he could ever expect this good a hand for slam purposes though. I guess I bid 6♦, but I hope partner can forgive me if they can take the first 2.
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Posted 2016-May-16, 07:23

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-May-16, 07:07, said:

On your head be it :)

North is bidding 5♦ without AK of trumps & knowing West is likely to hold AK of ♣,surely he is not bidding to sacrifice.
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Posted 2016-May-16, 12:21

View Postmanudude03, on 2016-May-16, 07:18, said:

I am really torn here, I loathe to bid slams with 2 top losers in their suit, but thinking about partner's range of hands then assuming West has 8 clubs (which admittedly isn't guaranteed) then surely partner is more likely to be short than RHO, not to mention RHO could also be void in clubs. However, partner may have bid 4D to test the waters. I don't think he could ever expect this good a hand for slam purposes though. I guess I bid 6♦, but I hope partner can forgive me if they can take the first 2.

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Posted 2016-May-16, 12:49

I feel really lucky. 5♥ Maybe partner can show a club void and I'll bid 7♦. If partner doesn't have a club void, I'm no worse off than if I bid 6♦
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Posted 2016-May-16, 13:43

Looking at all the controls in my hand, I can hardly believe that partner has jumped to 5♦ without a club control. So 6♦. I also like the 5♥ idea above.
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Posted 2016-May-16, 13:44

6 ♦

This is a momentum auction. Holding 6 cover cards and the top ♦ is huge.

Partner's bidding is insane if 5 ♦ was bid having 2 ♣ losers and missing ♦ AK. Partner might well be able to posit that you hold at least one of the top honors but not both. So if partner has a legitimate 5 ♦ bid, then you have a raise to 6 ♦.

I will make the caveat that if your partner is known to be a super aggressive bidder, you might take pause and pass.
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Posted 2016-May-16, 14:08

5!h was my first reaction but I can count only 12 tricks with the sK so we'd need a 4th heart, or squeeze to make 7. KQX xxx QJxxxxx v is just way too good for 5D. So I think I need a source of tricks to look for 7 here.

I'm trying 6D and won't be shocked if it goes down.
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Posted 2016-May-16, 14:20

View PostPhil, on 2016-May-16, 14:08, said:

I'm trying 6D and won't be shocked if it goes down.

Actually I was leaning toward redoubling 6♦.
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Posted 2016-May-17, 10:17

definitely feeling lucky my 2n could easily have been a bunch of K/Q/J instead of all these monster controls/tricks. While p may be having some sort of conniption fit over there it seems 6d should have reasonable play either because p is short or rho has a void. While I have a really icky club holding that does not mean my p (missing the AK of dia) has to have a mirror. I am feeling so lucky that I am bidding

5h

hoping to hear 6c which will compel me to bid 7d.
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Posted 2016-May-18, 05:36

I pass.
I believe guess partner must have ♣ second control is unreasonable.

Avoiding last guess is my partnership agreement.
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Posted 2016-May-18, 06:12

View Postlycier, on 2016-May-18, 05:36, said:

I pass.
I believe guess partner must have ♣ second control is unreasonable.

Avoiding last guess is my partnership agreement.

Pass is also a guess. In many auctions you cannot avoid it, including this one.
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Posted 2016-May-18, 06:41

View Postbillw55, on 2016-May-18, 06:12, said:

Pass is also a guess. In many auctions you cannot avoid it, including this one.


Good point of view.
Helgemo had ever said that guess is a worst part of this game.
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Posted 2016-May-18, 06:57

People don't often pre-empt over 2nt, since there's rarely any need to. So I'm going to assume partner has a stiff club and bid 6D.
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Posted 2016-May-18, 07:06

View Postlycier, on 2016-May-18, 06:41, said:

Good point of view.
Helgemo had ever said that guess is a worst part of this game.

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