[Bende]

28 board team match, 20 vp scale, part of a league.

One table completes the 14 boards of the first half of the match. On the other table there's disagreement about rulings and upset feelings. The pair from team A leaves the table after 12 boards and after discussions with a TD leaves without completing the match.

What should the result of the match be in the league table? In case it matters, team B was up by 34 imps on the 12 boards that were played at both tables.

[PeterAlan]

Bende, on 2019-October-15, 15:48, said:

28 board team match, 20 vp scale, part of a league.

One table completes the 14 boards of the first half of the match. On the other table there's disagreement about rulings and upset feelings. The pair from team A leaves the table after 12 boards and after discussions with a TD leaves without completing the match.

What should the result of the match be in the league table? In case it matters, team B was up by 34 imps on the 12 boards that were played at both tables.

There is no universal answer to this. Look first at the league's rules / conditions of contest. And tell us the jurisdiction.

[Bende]

The jurisdiction is Sweden. I cannot find any specific conditions of contest for this league, but let's assume that it follows the standard conditions of contest for competitions in Sweden. In that case, I can find rules for a walk over. However, walk over seem to deal with one team not showing up at the agreed time to play. There is no mention of a team showing up, starting to play, and then leaving.

In any case, the result in the case of a walk over is:

- Team A gets 0 vp.
- Team B gets VP from the best of three options:
1. The average from other matches, calculated at the end of the league.
2. 12 VP
3. The average of what other teams have scored against team A, calculated at the end of the league.

No masterpoints are rewarded.

Does it make sense that the above is also used in the case where the match was started but aborted? Does it matter how many boards were played?

[pran]

Bende, on 2019-October-16, 00:38, said:

The jurisdiction is Sweden. I cannot find any specific conditions of contest for this league, but let's assume that it follows the standard conditions of contest for competitions in Sweden. In that case, I can find rules for a walk over. However, walk over seem to deal with one team not showing up at the agreed time to play. There is no mention of a team showing up, starting to play, and then leaving.

In any case, the result in the case of a walk over is:

- Team A gets 0 vp.
- Team B gets VP from the best of three options:
1. The average from other matches, calculated at the end of the league.
2. 12 VP
3. The average of what other teams have scored against team A, calculated at the end of the league.

No masterpoints are rewarded.

Does it make sense that the above is also used in the case where the match was started but aborted? Does it matter how many boards were played?

It makes a major difference whether the match was aborted due to Force Majeure or (as here) due to an unacceptable action by a contestant.
I believe that with us in Norway:
Team A would be ruled to having withdrawn from the league, forfeiting all rights, and denied any further participation in this league.
Team B would receive points according to a win of 34 IMPS on the 12 boards played plus compensation (artificial adjusted scores) for the boards not completed.

[pescetom]

pran, on 2019-October-16, 01:34, said:

Team B would receive points according to a win of 34 IMPS on the 12 boards played plus compensation (artificial adjusted scores) for the boards not completed.

I imagine that the artificial adjusted scores would be aligned to the average outcome of the 12 boards actually played - which means that the total win would be (34/12) * 28 = 79 IMPs.

[pran]

pescetom, on 2019-October-16, 06:54, said:

I imagine that the artificial adjusted scores would be aligned to the average outcome of the 12 boards actually played - which means that the total win would be (34/12) * 28 = 79 IMPs.

Possibly.
But an important factor is how many rounds of the league were completed before this incident took place.
We do not appreciate artificial adjusted scores to be the determining factor for the final results.

[lamford]

Perhaps unplayed boards should be scored as 3 IMPs each to the non-offenders, if that would be the penalty at the beginning for late arrival. That would prdoduce a very similar result of 34+(16*3) = 82 IMPs. There should, of course, be rules to cover it.

[barmar]

With the withdrawing team so far behind, it seems like almost any rule will result in 20-0 VPs, so it probably doesn't matter much in this instance. It would be more interesting if the match were closer or the team that left were in the lead.

[pescetom]

barmar, on 2019-October-16, 09:05, said:

With the withdrawing team so far behind, it seems like almost any rule will result in 20-0 VPs, so it probably doesn't matter much in this instance. It would be more interesting if the match were closer or the team that left were in the lead.

The more interesting aspect is what will happen at disciplinary level. Here it would not be without consequences for the players involved and perhaps also for the TD if he got things badly wrong.

[RMB1]

What did the TD tell the pair before they left.

In EBU we treat leaving as withdrawal, and withdrawal for not good reason is a disciplinary offence. The withdrawn contestant has forfeited the match. For league purposes, the match is treated as if the team did not turn up. Leagues in England have regulations for scoring matches which did not take place.

[lamford]

RMB1, on 2019-October-17, 15:09, said:

What did the TD tell the pair before they left.

In EBU we treat leaving as withdrawal, and withdrawal for not good reason is a disciplinary offence. The withdrawn contestant has forfeited the match. For league purposes, the match is treated as if the team did not turn up. Leagues in England have regulations for scoring matches which did not take place.

Should one not give the better of the "not played" and a result reflecting the score at the time? Otherwise there is an incentive to feign injury, a bit like Bloodgate in Rugby.

[blackshoe]

lamford, on 2019-October-18, 05:49, said:

Should one not give the better of the "not played" and a result reflecting the score at the time? Otherwise there is an incentive to feign injury, a bit like Bloodgate in Rugby.

Better for whom? I would presume the NOS.

"Not played" for an entire match is one thing. "Not played" on the boards missed because one team left is quite another, and not legal. If this league has a regulation applicable to scoring this match, one should use that regulation.

As for the "incentive to feign injury" we can come up with lots of possible but unlikely scenarios for what dirty rotten scoundrels might do. I frankly don't see much point in such speculation unless one is actually involved in making laws or regulations governing the game.

[lamford]

I would hope that you would punish the scoundrels who mistook the time of start for the last 12 boards of a match by more than the 36 IMPs the regulations prescribed if they were leading by 37 IMPs before their unfortunate error in mistaking 1800 for 8 PM. And I would hope the regulations gave the RA this discretion.

Of course regulations to cover all scenarios are best but hard to phrase perfectly.

[Bende]

For those who are interested, this was the result.

• The pair who left was suspended for one month by the diciplinary committee.
  
• The match was ruled 20.00-0.00.
  
• The general regulations, which did not really cover this type of situation was amended as follows below.

The change was quite long but this is a summary (as far as I can understand it):

• When several artificial results are awarded, it should be 3 IMP for the first board, 2 IMP for the second board, and 1 IMP for the rest of the boards.
  
• Maximally half of the boards in a segment can be awarded an artificial score.
  
• To count a segment, at least half of the boards must be played and the boards comparable.
  
• If only one half of a 24 board match are played, the other half gets artificially rewarded results on half of the 12 boards and the 18 board VP scale is used.

[pescetom]

Bende, on 2019-December-17, 04:15, said:

The pair who left was suspended for one month by the diciplinary committee.

Justified, perhaps lenient - one month is pretty much the minimum suspension in our RA, might be assigned for insulting another player or similar.

[barmar]

"To could a segment"?

[Bende]

barmar, on 2019-December-17, 10:02, said:

"To could a segment"?

Typo. Fixed. Thanks!

[pescetom]

Count you not guess?