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Robot tournaments consisting of some Just Bid boards (evaluated double dummy, hopefully rewarding traditional bidding skills more by punishing tactics like opening 1N on a 4612 twelve count), some Just Declare boards and (maybe) some Just Defend boards.
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Just Bid, Just Declare, Just Defend
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Posted 2020-June-03, 10:35
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Posted 2020-June-03, 11:21
My impression is that the reason the BBO provides "Just Declare" tournaments is that the bots are incredibly bad at defense and bidding...
While you could certainly crat additional types of tournaments, not sure how popular they would be
While you could certainly crat additional types of tournaments, not sure how popular they would be
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Posted 2020-June-03, 12:42
Heh, it's also likely that "Just Declare" is because the players are incredibly bad at defence and bidding (their declarer play is slightly less awful). [Finishes channeling Skid Simon]
It's also because declarer play is fun - defence, in particular, is much more like hard work. Bidding is incredibly frustrating when your partner is from a different world.
Same reasons they do "best hand". You get the best hand, you declare 80% of the time (play anon on phone to find out how it works when it's not "best hand").
[Ed: well, that was an embarrassing mis-type. Hopefully obvious, though. Fixed.]
It's also because declarer play is fun - defence, in particular, is much more like hard work. Bidding is incredibly frustrating when your partner is from a different world.
Same reasons they do "best hand". You get the best hand, you declare 80% of the time (play anon on phone to find out how it works when it's not "best hand").
[Ed: well, that was an embarrassing mis-type. Hopefully obvious, though. Fixed.]
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Posted 2020-June-13, 13:29
Robots do play fast tho! Bidding sucks....
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Posted 2020-June-13, 16:11
nullve, on 2020-June-03, 10:35, said:
Robot tournaments consisting of some Just Bid boards (evaluated double dummy, hopefully rewarding traditional bidding skills more by punishing tactics like opening 1N on a 4612 twelve count), some Just Declare boards and (maybe) some Just Defend boards.
- When you Just Declare, you control all of your side's assets, so your decisions have maximum effect.
- In other formats, your Robot partner controls half the partnership assets, so your choices have less effect. Although Gib's defence is passive, it is already reasonable, and were it slightly improved, Just Defend competitions might be useful, because most of us would benefit from practice.
- Unfortunately, GIB bids unimaginatively, illogically, and inflexibly, so Just Bid competitions would be frustrating and likely to instil bad habits. Nevertheless, the Just Bid format could still be popular, if GIB understood Full disclosure or a modern equivalent. Because, then you could use GIb to enhance and practice your bidding methods.
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