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#1 User is offline   relpar 

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Posted 2020-September-18, 16:40

Is there a reasonable reason to open a 13 point hand 1 when your minor suit holdings are AJ6 and AK4?
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Posted 2020-September-18, 17:00

Some people like to do that. I'm not one of them. :-) BTW, if you don't have a five card major, your distribution is some 4333 with a four card major. In evaluating the hand, I would subtract a point for that distribution.

The reason I would prefer to open 1!C on this hand is two-fold: 1) the only distribution with which I would open 1!D on a three card suit is 4=4=3=2 and 2) usually when I open 1D I have at least four diamonds. These consequences will help partner evaluate our two hands together.
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Posted 2020-September-18, 17:00

 relpar, on 2020-September-18, 16:40, said:

Is there a reasonable reason to open a 13 point hand 1 when your minor suit holdings are AJ6 and AK4?


Generally no. The usual case where one opens 1 with a 3-card suit is on 4=4=3=2 hands.
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Posted 2020-September-18, 18:03

 relpar, on 2020-September-18, 16:40, said:

Is there a reasonable reason to open a 13 point hand 1 when your minor suit holdings are AJ6 and AK4?
Agree with BlackShoe. "Better Minor" is a misnomer. In 2/1, 1 opener = 4+ unless 4432.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 08:36

We're playing Precision with a 14-16 NT?

Seriously, though, what they said. There are some people who do open their better minor when planning on rebidding NT, but it's an uncommon take. More common by far is "longer minor, 1 with 3=3, 1 with 4=4".
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Posted 2020-September-21, 10:11

Playing a Walsh style 2/1, which is fairly common amongst experienced players (especially in NA), many pairs would open 1C with 4=4=3=2, reserving 1D for 4+. A substantial minority go further, and open 1c even with 4=2 minors, provided the hand is a balanced hand out of range for 1N.

I doubt many knowledgeable pairs ever systemically open 1D with 3=3 minors, playing a natural type of method (as in, not one in which 1C is artificial)
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Posted 2020-September-21, 10:32

No-one opens 1 with a 4432 shape?

One of the systems played in my area is 5CM, prepared club, which means 1 could be as short as two and 1 is always at least four. The only time this comes up is with a 4432 shape outside the 1NT point range.

I know one pair who play 1 guarentees five, so 1 could be as short as one.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 12:45

View Postrelpar, on 2020-September-18, 16:40, said:

Is there a reasonable reason to open a 13 point hand 1 when your minor suit holdings are AJ6 and AK4?


Most the replies clearly and rightly state that with 3-3 shape in the minors you should always open 1, but let's change the holdings to 432 and AKQ (an extreme example admittedly) or something similar where one minor is vastly superior to another, not AK4 vs. AJ6. Now, on a holding where the suit outweighs heavily in terms of quick trick-taking potential than the suit, I would then open 1. Not only because the suit is vastly superior, but as a potential lead-directing bid should we end up defending.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 13:12

View PostAL78, on 2020-September-21, 10:32, said:

No-one opens 1 with a 4432 shape?

One of the systems played in my area is 5CM, prepared club, which means 1 could be as short as two and 1 is always at least four. The only time this comes up is with a 4432 shape outside the 1NT point range.

I know one pair who play 1 guarentees five, so 1 could be as short as one.


It really doesn't change that much. Exactly 4=4=3=2 shape is something like 1.5%

Even when I played a precision system where 1 was 0+, it had 4+ D like 65% of time, and fewer than 2 practically never.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 15:29

View PostFelicityR, on 2020-September-21, 12:45, said:

Most the replies clearly and rightly state that with 3-3 shape in the minors you should always open 1, but let's change the holdings to 432 and AKQ (an extreme example admittedly) or something similar where one minor is vastly superior to another, not AK4 vs. AJ6. Now, on a holding where the suit outweighs heavily in terms of quick trick-taking potential than the suit, I would then open 1. Not only because the suit is vastly superior, but as a potential lead-directing bid should we end up defending.


The inferences derived from knowing that 1 guarantees 4-cards and does not deny 4-card clubs whereas 1 is everything else considerably outweigh this small advantage in my limited experience.
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