[shanbari]

Scoring: IMP

south opened 1C, LHO passed, Partner 1S, RHO jump in 2N (2 red suiters)

what's south best descriptive bid now ?

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as i understand, cuebid 3H is club suit with strong hand,
cuebid 3D is strong hand spade support. but i wonder 3D promise 4 card support ?

thanks,

SHAN

[mike777]

I will start with X for now. Partner will know it is our hand now. If LHO bids 3D and partner passes I will cue with 3H.

[luke warm]

i think i'd pass

[Rebound]

I keep it pretty simple. A free call here is game forcing and natural if a suit, and showing a general game force without a clear direction when doubling so I would double with this hand. I agree it has its flaws but it works for me.

I am still inhabiting the past where free bids show extras. I find it easier to remember. :-)

[tysen2k]

I believe standard is that the lower cue shows the lower-ranking suit and the higher cue shows the higher-ranking suit. So 3♦ = clubs and 3♥=spades. Easier on the memory.

Regardless, the cue that shows spades should show 4 of them.

Here you have a headache. Double could be wrong if LHO preempts diamonds. I think I cue spades anyway and treat AQx as 4.

[Fluffy]

3♥: ♥ stopper and GF values.

[SoTired]

I think un vs un is 3D=clubs, 3H=spades, X=penalty in at least one of their suits, and 3C & 3S are weaker. But I don't know if that is applicable in this position.

I want to be in spades. I have control over hearts and the short trump hand can ruff ♦. So even in unlikely case we are in 4-3 spade fit, it is less of a problem. I think KH is worth another spade. There is a greater chance of a bad spade or club break, but life is too short to live in fear.

I see 3 reasonable bids:
4C = showing 6-4. But would partner will recognize this?
4D = splinter if not sure partner would recognize 4C
4N = Since all partner needs is KJxx xxx xxx Kxx to make 6S a good bet

[whereagles]

Unless you have an agreement like

3♦ = strong club hand
3♥ = strong spade hand (3 or 4 cards),

the only descriptive bid here is 3♣ (though a gross underbid in terms of points).

[shanbari]

agree to 3d = strong club suit,

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south starts the bidding 1C,
1c==(p)==1s==(2N)
?==(5H)==?

if south pass/x after 2N, then north would be under great presure to bid out spade or club in this auction.

i would like to bid 3d to show club suit, or even 4d as someone mentioned. then 6c/s would be certainly on the way.


shan

[shanbari]

SoTired, on Jun 21 2005, 06:41 PM, said:

I think un vs un is 3D=clubs, 3H=spades, X=penalty in at least one of their suits, and 3C & 3S are weaker. But I don't know if that is applicable in this position.

I want to be in spades. I have control over hearts and the short trump hand can ruff ♦. So even in unlikely case we are in 4-3 spade fit, it is less of a problem. I think KH is worth another spade. There is a greater chance of a bad spade or club break, but life is too short to live in fear.

I see 3 reasonable bids:
4C = showing 6-4. But would partner will recognize this?
4D = splinter if not sure partner would recognize 4C
4N = Since all partner needs is KJxx xxx xxx Kxx to make 6S a good bet

4C shows 64 seems a good bid as well, even though a lie of 4 card spade support.

shan

[mike777]

After any forward going bid by south bidding 5s by N over 5H seems easy. Bidding 6 seems easy by south now.

[Al_U_Card]

Let's see, pard didn't bid D first so they may have quite a few (and S will be 5-1 unless pard has the remainder. I play the immediate 3C as a good hand without S tolerance and 3D and 3H as good hands with S tolerance and asking for a stopper for NT. 4D and 4H show spade support and shortness, therefore I vote for 3D and pard will rebid 4S and I will look for slam. (With only 4 spade cards and a weaker hand he could return to clubs.)

[Free]

Disagree with those who play 3♦ as a ♣ suit. It's the first suit you meet, in this case ♠s - 4♣ is higher than 3♠. I'd just start with 3♥ showing a strong hand with ♣s. P can still repeat his ♠s and I'll probably be able to show support at the 4-level.

Dbl is another option, but you won't be able to describe your hand at all if LHO jumps to some number of ♦s.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

for me 3D shows a good hand with clubs, and 3H
a good hand with spades.

I will bid 3D, after all, I have a 6 card suit and lots
of controlls, and the suit may be worse..

Marlowe

[HeartA]

Fluffy, on Jun 21 2005, 05:44 PM, said:

3♥: ♥ stopper and GF values.

3♥ sounds good to me. Pass is the last option I would ever think of.

[fifee]

SoTired, on Jun 21 2005, 06:41 PM, said:

I think un vs un is 3D=clubs, 3H=spades, X=penalty in at least one of their suits, and 3C & 3S are weaker. But I don't know if that is applicable in this position.

I want to be in spades. I have control over hearts and the short trump hand can ruff ♦. So even in unlikely case we are in 4-3 spade fit, it is less of a problem. I think KH is worth another spade. There is a greater chance of a bad spade or club break, but life is too short to live in fear.

I see 3 reasonable bids:
4C = showing 6-4. But would partner will recognize this?
4D = splinter if not sure partner would recognize 4C
4N = Since all partner needs is KJxx xxx xxx Kxx to make 6S a good bet

If RHO has 55 or better in D and H, then S could be 51 or even 60. I don't want to be in 6S with a 7 card fit.

I like 3D showing a strong Club suit. Can raise partner's Spades next, if he does not respond well to my Club showing bid.

I almost never splinter with 3 card support, it always leads to trouble for me

I agree with you and I would not bid 4C because no matter how descriptive the bid is, if partner does not understand it, it is not a good bid.

[Double !]

This is an excellent question and topic.

I am curious about how many people play unusual/unusual (probably most) but, also, how they play it. The version I learned was that the cheaper of the cuebids showed limit+ raise in P's suit, the higher cuebid showed the unbid suit with tolerance for opener's suit, and 3 of other major showed the other major GF. Then I recently read as article in acbl bulletin suggesting that the meanings of the cuebids be reversed so that the cheaper cue is GI (or better) in the other major, and that opener could use the step between his/her suit and responder's bid as a denial response (don't like that other major, P). So, I am curious about how others play U/U.

re: question hand: this raises (to me) an interesting question. Is 3H just a general stopper-showing Forcing bid? or is it like in a maximal overcall double situation, an invitational raise to 4S with 4-card support? The same question could be asked about a 3D rebid.