[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

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P - (P) - 1♦* - (2♠)
P - (4♠) - 4NT - (P)
5♦ - (P) - 6♦ - (P)
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* 17+ hcp

Your opponents intervene heavily over your partner's strong diamond opening even though unfavourable. You interpret partner's 4NT as 2 places to play and partner raises you (himself actually) to the small slam in diamonds. Do you raise to the grand?

[cherdano]

What did my first pass show?

Arend

[Fluffy]

6 is enough because I have 3 small hearts and probably will lose 1.

[Echognome]

Your first pass denied having any game forcing hand. So any hand in 0-7 range. I know some people play that a double or pass would show a semi-positive. Maybe something to consider, but you have to play the methods you've agreed.

[inquiry]

Your partner can not have 12 trick hand with fit when you hold diamond ACE. Reason is, with that hand, he would have bid differently. For instance, over 4S, he could have bid 5NT or 5S. Or, over 5D, he could ahve bid 5S or even 6C (6C must be fit for diamonds, else he would bid hearts).

A six diamond bid here is educated gamble. IF partner has six in his hand with a fit, something like...

S-A
H-AKQTxx
D-KQT98x
C=void

He would bid 5S, and with,

S-void
H-AK
D-KQTxx
C-AKQJTx

He would bid 6C.

Dont be a hero. Pass 6♦. Besides, if he has one of those hands, you can always come post here to see how he SHOULD have bid.

Mini-plug for MishovnBg's invention:. Now if your parnter had EITHER of those hands and you were playing MisIry, it would be piece of cake..

Imagine first hand (we leave in the competition)..

Pard = 3H (preempt in spade or H/D two suiter) -
RHO = 3S (ok, less likely now, but we let him)
You = Pass
LHO = 4S
Pard = 6D = Diamond/heart two suiter, one loser, don't need any club honor
You = 7D I have the diamond ACE... cool

Imagine the second hand
Pard 3D = heart preempt, or D/S or D/C two suiter
RHO 3S = more likely now, but still not that likely
You Pass
LHO 4S = less likely as not sure who is preempting
Pard 6C = minor two suiter, one loser, no need for heart ACE
You 7D = wow, still have diamond ace and fit.

If your partner had a two loser hand, he could open the same, and then rebid at the FIVE level to show those hand. And you know to carry on to six, but not seven.

To read more about MisIry, see http://inquiry2over1.blogspot.com/ click on chapter 3. Or search this site for MisIry or transfer preempts.

[luis]

Passing 6♦ is automatic without a spade loser pd would have bid 5♠ over my 5♦, if he bids 6 is because he is not interested in 7.

Luis

[Double !]

OY VAY!

The answer depends on your partner. Is partner someone who will "borrow" a card from you (assume that he/she may play you to have one key honor) to avoid being pre-empted from slam, or is partner one who doesn't make any such assumption (I prefer the latter).

I suspect that partner has a minor suit moose with a likely 12 tricks opposite xxx, xxx in the minors in your hand. Partner didn't bid 5 clubs over 4S; another option to show a good but not super minor suit hand.

You have AJxxx of trumps, Jx in partner's other suit (at worst a ruffing value).
If playing with a partner that I trust and who trusts me, I would bid 7 diamonds. If it doen't make, then what did partner have to justify 4NT?

as usual, wrong again....or am I?

DHL

[inquiry]

Double !, on Jul 11 2005, 01:33 PM, said:

as usual, wrong again....or am I?

If you TRUST partner, you must pass.

[MickyB]

He's playing strong diamond, not sure you are allowed to support it

[scoob]

flytoox, on Jul 11 2005, 11:54 AM, said:

Cannot understand why you passed 2S. Why not show your good diamond support with 3D?

I would still bid 7D. I made a mistake earlier. Let's make another one.

Cheers

Hongjun

1♦ isn't natural.

[flytoox]

MickyB, on Jul 11 2005, 06:01 PM, said:

He's playing strong diamond, not sure you are allowed to support it

Aha. Sorry then it is my bad. NOw I pass 6D.


Now I didnt make any mistake:)

[Double !]

inquiry, on Jul 11 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

Double !, on Jul 11 2005, 01:33 PM, said:

as usual, wrong again....or am I?

If you TRUST partner, you must pass.

with a hand such as void, AK, KTxxxx, AKxxx, does partner really know that he/she has a 12-trick hand at this point? I doubt it, opposite an initially passing partner. AJ5th of trumps and dbltn in his 2nd suit are very strong holdings on such an auction. I need to revalue these cards in conjunction with the bidding.

of course, at the table, I wouldn't have the courage of my convictions and would just take what I hope to be a plus score in 6D given the obstructed auction. It's just that my instincts (or instinks) tell me that 7 makes on so many hand provided opps aren't cashing a quick ace (unlikely).

And my partner expects me to make these adjustments.

[han]

Think I agree with Double, 7D for me.

This hand is so good that I don't buy the argument that partner would have bid something any time 7D is there.

[inquiry]

Double !, on Jul 11 2005, 06:10 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jul 11 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

Double !, on Jul 11 2005, 01:33 PM, said:

as usual, wrong again....or am I?

If you TRUST partner, you must pass.

with a hand such as void, AK, KTxxxx, AKxxx, does partner really know that he/she has a 12-trick hand at this point? I doubt it, opposite an initially passing partner. AJ5th of trumps and dbltn in his 2nd suit are very strong holdings on such an auction. I need to revalue these cards in conjunction with the bidding.

of course, at the table, I wouldn't have the courage of my convictions and would just take what I hope to be a plus score in 6D given the obstructed auction. It's just that my instincts (or instinks) tell me that 7 makes on so many hand provided opps aren't cashing a quick ace (unlikely).

And my partner expects me to make these adjustments.

Vodoo bidding,

You give partner,

--- AK KTxxxx AKxxx

he could jsut as esily have,

-- AKxxx KTxxxx AK

And you turned your great slam into a disaster. You play for a perfect hand. Sure 7D may make, put partner needs, the prefect fitting hand. And partner might have, after all

-- AKQJx QJT9xx A

And "hopes" you have Ace or King of diamonds. Who knows? Noit you, not me, not matt. It is a guess, and when partner bids 6♦, luiis got it right. Don't thorw your slam out the window.

[han]

Can partner really have a hand as weak as AKxxx KTxxxx AK or AK KTxxxx AKxxx? I don't think so, both have 3 losers. As for - AKQJx QJ10xxx AK, that sounds much more reasonable, wasn't it for the fact that we already have the jack of diamonds. How about AKQJx KTxxxx AK? That seems about right.

I do think that is much more likely that partner has diamonds and hearts, as partner was apparently pleasantly surprized by our 5D call.

[whereagles]

I'm going to do an insufficient bid and try 5♦... lol. Maybe RHO is distracted and passes, endorsing the thing..

[han]

I think that you might miss a (grand) slam if you bid 5D!

[cherdano]

Hannie, on Jul 12 2005, 03:24 AM, said:

I think that you might miss a (grand) slam if you bid 5D!

Depends on whether you play insufficient bids as forcing (if LHO accepts them) by agreement. I like to play that if LHO accepts the insufficient bid, partner bids 6♦ with a min for his previous bidding, and some other bid to invite 7.