[jillybean]

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[Cyberyeti]

Form of scoring ? visualises AKxxxx and a major suit K or possibly a 7 card suit.

We would rebid 2♦ art inv+ relay second time

[jillybean]

Let's bid for MP, and nothing too fancy.
I'd also like to hear how IMP scoring would effect your plan.

[AL78]

3NT. Looks like a lot of club tricks and two aces to start, plus the opposition not bidding spades at any point increases the chance partner has a second stop if they attack spades at trick one. If partner has nothing useful in spades they must have opened on something in addition to the club suit so they likely hold a ninth trick in one of the red suits.

It flashed through my mind that a slam could be on if our hands fit very well, but my partner never has the perfect hand and in the fields I play in, I am not chasing 25-26 HCP slams because it doesn't gain much if it makes but will be a stonking bottom if it isn't there.

[P_Marlowe]

3NT

You could have bid this the first time, increasing the chances of a non spade lead.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pescetom]

As said above, hoping N knows what he is doing (all too many intermediates will rebid a 5m332 once or even twice).

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on 2024-October-08, 23:19, said:

3NT

You could have bid this the first time, increasing the chances of a non spade lead.

With kind regards
Marlowe

1♣ - 3nt how is that defined for you?

I loathe this auction, why not bid your hand. I'm sure you have a good reason!

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2024-October-09, 03:44, said:

1♣ - 3nt how is that defined for you?

I loathe this auction, why not bid your hand. I'm sure you have a good reason!

Wouldn't do it first time, but if like us, you would rebid 1♥ with 6-4 or 7-4, can do it over 2♣

[mw64ahw]

AL78, on 2024-October-08, 17:07, said:

3NT. Looks like a lot of club tricks and two aces to start, plus the opposition not bidding spades at any point increases the chance partner has a second stop if they attack spades at trick one. If partner has nothing useful in spades they must have opened on something in addition to the club suit so they likely hold a ninth trick in one of the red suits.

It flashed through my mind that a slam could be on if our hands fit very well, but my partner never has the perfect hand and in the fields I play in, I am not chasing 25-26 HCP slams because it doesn't gain much if it makes but will be a stonking bottom if it isn't there.

I doubt this is anywhere near a slam with a 2♣ response and 5♣ is doubtful, but 3N looks OK as per your analysis

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2024-October-09, 03:44, said:

1♣ - 3nt how is that defined for you?

I loathe this auction, why not bid your hand. I'm sure you have a good reason!

I was talking about 3NT instead of 2H, i.e. bidding 3NT in the 2nd round.
You may have a 44 fit in hearts, and you dont want to miss this fit, but
after opener denied a 4 card heart suit, why do you want to introduce hearts?
2H showes a 5th diamond, and shortage in the black suits, and this means, they
will auto lead a spade.

[mw64ahw]

P_Marlowe, on 2024-October-09, 07:35, said:

I was talking about 3NT instead of 2H, i.e. bidding 3NT in the 2nd round.
You may have a 44 fit in hearts, and you dont want to miss this fit, but
after opener denied a 4 card heart suit, why do you want to introduce hearts?
2H shows a 5th diamond, and shortage in the black suits, and this means, they
will auto lead a spade.

It depends what style you play. One of my partners always bids his longest suit, while I bid a Major if not playing Transfer Walsh!

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on 2024-October-09, 07:35, said:

I was talking about 3NT instead of 2H, i.e. bidding 3NT in the 2nd round.
You may have a 44 fit in hearts, and you dont want to miss this fit, but
after opener denied a 4 card heart suit, why do you want to introduce hearts?
2H showes a 5th diamond, and shortage in the black suits, and this means, they
will auto lead a spade.

Thanks, I misunderstood you were saying 3nt on first round.
Give me the Kx and I would bid 3nt second round.

With Ax is spades and partner not mentioning a major increases the chances of a spade lead anyway.

This actually brings up an interesting point. I am not too concerned about deflecting a spade lead,
which may be an indication of the level of bridge I play compared to others here. On the other hand, the
newer players I am helping have been told "the strong hand should be kept hidden" and contort their hand to avoid bidding NT as "dummy"
and other bridge gymnastics to avoid the strong hand going down on the table.
If only new players were taught the Laws so well.

[jillybean]

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[pescetom]

What would it take for North to rebid 3♣ rather than 2♣ ?

[jillybean]

Good Q

[pescetom]

I'm amused and bemused time after time at the ability of bridge to short circuit between what we discuss here and what happens to me at the table.
I had just chastised one of our intermediates who opened 1C and after my 2C game force response rebid 3C. The hand I expected was pretty close to that of North above (with which I would make 6C), instead she had Qxx Kx Kxx Axxxx.

[DavidKok]

I prefer 2♣ to 3♣. If you open 1m with a long minor and partner responds in your short suit it is often correct not to upgrade. The fact that the auction is uncontested means that partner does not have a minimum with shortage in the unbid suits, so partner will almost always have another bid over our 2m rebid. For 2m to lose we normally need partner to pass it while game was making, which requires a very specific set of circumstances.
Keep in mind partner likes to win too, and is not that eager to pass 2m.


I like the auction and would have bid 3NT over 2♣. Slam makes on a finesse, but I don't worry about those. Slam on a finesse is exactly break even at IMP scoring with bidding and making 12 tricks in game. Technically we need a little extra - no diamond void in the wrong place, and clubs not 0-4.

[mw64ahw]

I'd bid a distributional 3♣ with 14-16 (give or take) plus 6 modified losers with one partner. Stronger ♣ hands take a different route.

South's hand then takes us into the slam zone.

So much for my previous comment above

[AL78]

mw64ahw, on 2024-October-09, 05:40, said:

I doubt this is anywhere near a slam with a 2♣ response and 5♣ is doubtful, but 3N looks OK as per your analysis

Agreed, I added the slam comment just in case it turned out to be one of those perfect fitting deals and 6♣ makes. Seems my flash thought was right looking at the full deal, slam is there on the layout, but as I said I'm not chasing thin slams on low firepower (HCP) just in case the perfect fit is there.