[jillybean]

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3♣ or whatever your 4 card limit raise is

Your plan? I already despise the bidding space the limit raise has taken

[pescetom]

For us the limit raise is 2NT and I would check back with 3♣ now, to be certain it was 4 cards and to discover something about shape and any shortage.


I hate the choice of 3♣ as a raise, it's much more useful as natural. But over that, surely you can control bid 4♣ now, hoping for 4♦.

[Cyberyeti]

Our limit+ 4 card raise is 2N, now 3♣ long suit style, usually 4, occasionally 3

[pescetom]

Are NS any good? There are thirteen hearts cards somewhere and the opponents have favourable vulnerability. I'm not very optimistic if partner is 4=5 in the majors.

[jillybean]

North is excellent but is playing with a new player so is being conservative.
Some North's may have thrown in ♥ bid at these colors.

[jillybean]

pescetom, on 2025-October-03, 09:40, said:

For us the limit raise is 2NT and I would check back with 3♣ now, to be certain it was 4 cards and to discover something about shape and any shortage.


I hate the choice of 3♣ as a raise, it's much more useful as natural. But over that, surely you can control bid 4♣ now, hoping for 4♦.

Cyberyeti, on 2025-October-03, 10:03, said:

Our limit+ 4 card raise is 2N, now 3♣ long suit style, usually 4, occasionally 3

We still use 2nt as Jacoby, game force.

Yes, 4♣ gets a 4♦ response. No room for exclusion.